Re: Concept_sitting

i think such a phrase is a mode of intention.
  "what i say is llie" could implies humor OR embarrassment.



Le 19 janv. 09 à 01:41, Eugene Oh a écrit :

> I think what he means is that the illogicality of the sentence
> means no one
> would think of uttering it unless he were consciously finding a
> time to say
> it. It wouldn't appear naturally in a conversation, for example,
> but would
> be contrived.
> Eugene
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Erbrice <erbrice@...> wrote:
>
>> It was clear for me that you did only speak in a mathematical
>> point of view
>> and not about languages.
>> But,  beeing totally ignorant in this domain (maths), it still
>> unclear to
>> me what do you do mean when you say 'no speaker would naturally
>> emit a
>> sentence like "this sentence is false"'
>> Aren't any sentence  admitable as far as they are grammatically
>> correct ?
>>
>> Le 17 janv. 09 à 11:59, Mark J. Reed a écrit :
>>
>>
>>  On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Erbrice <erbrice@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> in the domain of languages,
>>>> which problem (s) could result from a statement refering to
>>>> itself ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> First, I didn't say it was a problem for languages.  I was just
>>> clarifying what Goedel actually did.
>>>
>>> It's a problem for mathematical formalisms, and therefore
>>> potentially
>>> for loglangs as well.  For language in general, I'd say that such
>>> metareferentiality just enhances expressiveness.  I do seem to
>>> recall
>>> that there are some theories of how human language works, mostly no
>>> longer current and somewhat reminiscent of those mathematical
>>> formalisms, which are invalidated by the existence of such
>>> statements.
>>> (Proponents of those theories would simply say that no speaker would
>>> ever "naturally emit" a sentence like "This sentence is false",
>>> so it
>>> doesn't count.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
>>>
>>

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