Re: creolego "cannibalizes" AND "phagocytates" (wasRe: Gaelic

On Sunday 14 July 2002 22:23, you wrote:
> En réponse à Boudewijn Rempt <boud@...>:
> > For instance, it isn't the way children are taught in school, and
> > haven't
> > been taught in school since the seventies.
>
> Maybe in Deventer, but it's not true in the rest of the country. I've seen
> it among my colleagues, who come from about everywhere in the country, with
> the nephews of my friend (from 7 to 11-years-old) who were taught that
> "lange ij" was a single letter, and thus written so even in unconnected
> writing and capitalised as a single letter, with about everyone I've seen
> writing a "lange ij".
>
I've lived everywhere from Brabant to Leiden to Deventer, but apparently
not in the Netherlands. I'm sorry to have had an opinion and will shut up
now. I have not seen the books my children learn Dutch from, and I have
not spoken to their teachers. I do not know that the method that's used
to teach children is used through almost the whole of the Netherlands because
there are only two left, and Zwijssen is the biggest.

>  Nowadays they learn to
>
> > differentiate between 'lekkere ei' and 'vieze ij' -- tasty ei and
> > nasty
> > ij.
>
> They have a strange nomenclature in Deventer. At least, it certainly
> doesn't reflect how things are taught elsewhere in the country.
>
>  They learn that these sounds consist of a sequence of two letters,
>
> > and that they are not one letter, not even ij.
>
> Totally untrue. "ij" is taught to be a single letter, unlike "ei". If your
> daughters are taught otherwise, then they are the ones in the minority.
>
> > Ever since WordPerfect 4.2 added the possibility to enter ij as one
> > letter (probably induced to do so by an old and out of date
> > description
> > of Dutch), people have riduculed others who actually used that letter.
>
> That's absolutely not true! Maybe it's your opinion on the use of the
> letter "ij", but it's not the opinion of anyone else. I've always received
> the opinion that writing "ij" as two different letters is not considered
> incorrect per se, but will look strange to most people, and during my Dutch
> classes we were asked to always write "ij" as a single letter, because
> otherwise it would look obvious that we are foreigners. Using that letter
> has never been ridiculed. If that's what they do in Deventer, then they
> have strange habits.
>
>
> And as I said, I'm sorry to have to correct you, but I see the facts nearly
> as soon as I get out of my apartment, and so cannot accept your opinion as
> facts. The facts are very clear and show quite a different story.
>
As you wish. No doubt you are correct.
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Boudewijn Rempt | http://www.valdyas.org

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