Re: Enochian, also ritual language, was: The search...perfect language

On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:03:30 +1200 Andrew Smith
<hobbit@...> writes:
>> Tav isn't Saf after a vowel, but where it's not dagesh'd - short
>>vowels
>> cause a dagesh-hhazaq (forte) in the following consonant.
>Does this mean you also have Thav?  There are no occurances in the
>sample
>you gave, but it would pair with Dhalet.
I don't think i've ever used Thav....i'm Diasporan Ashkenazic, so i
automatically equate "soft" Tav with Saf.  However, since none of the
accents i'm commonly in contact with have a "soft" Dalet, Dhalet is the
only one i know of (and my using it probably has something to do with
learning Spanish, which has a similar [d] >> [D] softening).
Although, in my bare-phonological-level planned conlang Judean, the
softenings are [t] >> [s] from tav/saf and [d] >> [z] based on that, for
a hypothetical dalet/zalet.

>> although i realized i messed up some of the phonetic
>>transcriptions...the
>> second-to-last word is _venissmehha_, with a hhet [H]/[x], and not a
>>khaf
>> [x].  Also, the Ashkenazic transcription is European Diasporan, not
>> American...Americans say [ow] for hholam, not [oj].
>I was not aware that there is a difference between between hhet and
>khaf,
>what is the description of these sounds.
Khaf is the softened form of [k] - velar voiceless fricative [x].
In the accents that distinguish it from Khaf, Hhet is [H], pharyngeal
voiceless fricative.  It's a deeper and "smoother"-sounding sound.

>The church I attend has a Samoan minister and we always have a
>Polynesian
>hymn when the collection is being taken up, of which our hymnary
>contains
>three!  After three years I am still trying to master the
>pronunciation of
>these hymns.  The problem is trying to fit in all those vowels while
>singing them!
>
>- andrew.
So...there are more syllables than the tune seems to allow?


-Stephen (Steg)
 "Bbbbbbbbb!"

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