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Re: OT: English and front rounded vowels

From:Eric Christopherson <rakko@...>
Date:Sunday, December 9, 2007, 6:47
On Dec 7, 2007, at 6:12 PM, T. A. McLeay wrote:

> Eric Christopherson wrote: >> On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:07 PM, T. A. McLeay wrote: >>> In English, the high front rounded vowels were unrounded towards >>> the end >>> of the Old English period. Mid front rounded vowels were either lost >>> much earlier, or generally not written. Decent (;) dialects of >>> English >>> have since re-created them from things like [u:] and [@:]. >> A rounded [@:]? Does that belong to the phoneme which in rhotic >> dialects is /r=/? In which case, I wonder if that's why German / >> 2/ and /9/ sometimes get pronounced in English as /r=/, e.g. >> _Göthe_ /"gr=t@/, _danke schön_ /"daNk@ Sr=n/. > > I don't think it has much to do with the fact that (some) Australians, > Kiwis and probably Londoners have a vowel somewhat like [2:] or > [8:] for > rhotic /r=/, but instead the same thing which motivated the rounding > also motivates associating /2:/ with the more dominant unrounded [@:] > variant of /3:/. This gets a bit technical; I don't know how much you > know about phonetics, so I'll try to explain everything.
[snip] Very interesting. Thanks!