Re: Obrenje and Schwiizertüütsch

En réponse à Christian Thalmann <cinga@...>:

>
> I also considered using it for /T/ at one point.  There are so woefully
> few latin letters that can represent dental sounds, and so many velar
> ones...  anyway, I decided to dump /T/ altogether and install the /s/ in
> its place.  IMHO, /s/ is a more natural fricative version of /t/ than
> /T/ is.
>
It depends whether your /t/ is dental or alveolar. If /s/ is the normal
fricative version of an alveolar /t/, /T/ is the normal fricative version of a
dental /t/ (like 'th' in Tokana).

>
> In Obrenje, the first verb would be in the IIIe person, while in the
> second sentence, it would be IIIi.
>
> One might argue that this distinction is superfluous, but I think it
> does serve its purpose, since Obrenje is VSO.  Marking an implied
> subject on the verb tells the listener right away that the subject is
> the same as before, thus relieving him from the insecurity that there
> may be a new subject following in the sentence.  It takes some
> responsibility from the syntax and makes retro-active parsing
> unnecessary.
>
A very good idea! But it seems to me that among the examples you gave there were
some with implicit 3rd person and yet an explicitly given subject (or am I
dreaming things?).

>
> > At least my
> > Narbonósc has an official orthography. But hey, it's an official
> language after
> > all :) .
>
> Where do I find info about Narbonósc?  Your homepage lists five other
> conlangs, but Narbonósc seems to be your main lang, considering how
> often you mention it on this list.  ;-)
>
It's my main lang *now*, but wait until I began my Arabo-Romance project :)) .
As for usability, my main lang is Moten, which is available on the web (with
even a lexicon!). But it's true that Narbonósc is my last child, and currently
my favorite one. You cannot find anything about it on Internet yet, but you can
find a lot in the archives, since I bothered a lot the list with the
orthographical, grammatical and lexical features of narbonósc :) (search with
the names Narbonósc and Roumant, its former name). Search in the archives of the
list itself, at: http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/conlang.html, they are more
up-to-date and accessible than the Yahoo/e-groups archives.

Christophe.

http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr