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Re: Old Chinese retroflexes--a few questions.

From:Steven Williams <feurieaux@...>
Date:Sunday, November 21, 2004, 16:29
 --- John Cowan <cowan@...> kataba:
> We think so, yes. The native terms were "clear" and > "muddy".
That's a fascinating contrast; I'm very tempted to co-opt that for a future conlang.
> We don't really know. We reconstruct multiple
series of
> coronal stops, but their exact phonetic values are a
matter
> of conjecture -- or convention.
Like the reconstructed Indo-European laryngeals, which, I'm told, were most likely [x], [x_w] (or their pharyngeal equivalents) and [h].
> It had syllables ending in -p -t -k (as in Cantonese
and
> some other modern Sinitic languages), which probably
first
> all changed to glottal stop (as in modern
Shanghainese)
> and then vanished, at which point the words in that
tone
> were reallocated to the other three tones
(first/second, third,
> and fourth). Then the first/second tone split, with
the
> breathy/"muddy"/voiced initial syllables moving into
the
> modern second tone.
Then how does Cantonese have like nine tones? Were some other tonogenic forces at work here?

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