Re: CONLANG Digest - 9 Nov 2000 to 10 Nov 2000 (#2000-308)

> From:    "LeoMoser(Acadon@Acadon.com)" <acadon@...>
> Subject: Hiatus in Artlangs
>
> If we opt for two syllables, we get such initial
> combos as the following:
> Initial [dj] in: *dieto, *dieno, *dialo etc.
Some raw data.

In Hadwan:
/DI.jE.tU/, /DI.jE.nU/, /Dja.lU/

> Initial [sj] in: *siesto, *sievo, *siamo etc.
/sI.jEs.tU/, /sI.jE.BU/, /sU.ja.mU/

> Initial [kj] in: *kiano, *kiepto, *kielo etc.
/kja.nU/, /kI.jEp.tU/, /kI.jE.lU/

> Initial [vj] in: *viato, *vieno, *violo etc.
/Bja.tU/, /BI.jE.nU/, /BI.jU.lU/

> Initial [gj] in: *giapo, *gieno, *giosto etc.
/Gja.pU/ (or /ja.pU/ possibly), /GI.jE.nU/, /GI.jU.stU/
These would be very weird-sounding Hadwan words, actually.

> Initial [bj] in: *bialo, *biento, *biesto etc.
/Bja.lU/, /BI.jEn.tU/, /BI.jEs.tU/

> Initial [mj] in: *mielo, *miano, *mioso etc.
/mI.jE.lU/, /mU.ja.nU/, /mI.jU.sU/

> Initial [fw] in: *fuoco, *fuano, *fuero etc.
/PU.wU.kU/ (or /PU:.kU/?), /Pwa.nU/, /PU.wE.rU/
(It'd be very tough to have <uo> in Hadwan, as they don't differentiate the
two...)

> Initial [lw] in: *luano, *luego, *luiso etc.
/lE.wa.nU/, /lU.wE.gU/, /lU.wI.sU/

> Initial [pw] in: *pueblo, *puepo, *puoso etc.
/pU.wE.BlU/, /pU.wE.pU/, /pU.wU.sU/ or /pU:.sU/

> Initial [gw] in: *guano, *guero, *guido etc.
/Gwa.nU/, /GU.wE.rU/, /GU.wI.DU/

> Initial [kw] in: *kualo, *kueno, *kuoto etc.
/kwa.lU/, /kU.wE.nU/, /kU.wU.tU/ or /kU:tU/

> Initial [dw] in: *dualo, *dueno, *duito etc.
/Dwa.lU/, /DU.wE.nU/, /DU.wI.tU/

> Initial [rw] in: *ruano, *ruino, *rueso etc.
/rE.wa.nU/, /rU.wI.nU/, /rU.wE.sU/

(I suppose we're not much for vowel clusters...)

> From:    Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
> Subject: Re: New (Well, Revamped) Language:  TIEG'EW / GABWE
>
> Another idea might be inserting epenthetic(?) vowels, possibly colored by
> neighboring ones, so for instance:
>
> *kbáli  >>  k@báli
> *trí  >>  tIrí
Hadwan has this.  The vowel added depends on the place of the second
consonant (it may not be naturalistic, but there it is)

labials, <e>        (PH *kbali > H *kEbali)
dentals, <i>        (PH *ktali > H *kItali)
velars, l, r <u>    (PH *rlali > H *rUlali)

This happens at illegal clusters and syllabic consonants.  (kme > kme, but
akm > akem)

> Or you could just simplify clusters:
>
> *pbali  >>  bali
Atlantic has this.

OAtl. <dhágosine> "justice" /'dxa.Go.si.ne/ -> /'xa.go.si.Je/ (then /xa/ >
/ha/ > /a/ > MAtl. <ágosin'e>)

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