Re: NGL:spatial adverbs and vectors

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>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Gerald Koenig wrote:
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>> >> DEXTRO: de LEVO: le
>> >This could be replaced with {le, inlh} (Levo form chosen since, IIRC,
>> >dextro is the default and thus will need a word less often)
>> >Alternitively, both could be derived from Ogden words {dekci} {levoci}
>> Ok. Levo in nilenga is VO. LE is the word for length of the vector.
>> The default coordinate system is a right-handed (dextro) person-centered
>> (wos) frame.
>OK, that makes perfect sense.  Should one need to make reference to
>dextro, either the Ogden word, or {invr} could be used.
DE and VO are special forms in VXT and cannot be replaced. They mean
rightward and leftward. They are necessarily true in all space frames
and modules. They are not equivalent to dekci and levoci
either. Dekci/levoci have the ci suffix which means quality of, or
--ness.
For example:

kelanci mercy is not strained.
the quality of mercy is not strained. and

kelan mercy is not strained.
mercy is not strained.

are not equivalent claims.

The first, ci form is a second order logic claim and believe me, it
will cause logic problems in tense structures.

Neither can DE, VO, be replaced with il, inil. il (i-vector) and inil
(-i vector) can switch meanings depending on the coordinate system
specified with their use. DE, VO necessarily (POA) have the same
right/left sense in all worlds; while il, inil, possibly (RO) have a
right/left sense in any world, to use VXT modal terms.

I don't regard the Ogden set words as having any special privilege or
prior claim to VXT words. It is all a matter of vote to me. I regard
any proposed words, such as Steven's latest color words, in the same
light.  I would like to see others, such as Mia Soderquist, contribute
some of their inspired words.  I do see the wisdom and mercy of
cooperation however, and in that spirit I have changed na to il as you
suggested to harmonize it with your proposals. It does no damage to VXT
and prevents redundancy. But I hope you understand that if VXT is voted
in, it will not just be confined to a module you define.

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>> Concerning the words, wos, mas, pis, your criticism is right on. There
>> is no need to waste precious monosylables with these, because they are
>> not much used. I want to reserve the monosylables in nilenga for
>> frequently used concepts and above all for use in contractions which are
>> at the heart of the system. I'll be coining some long words for these.
Here they are the names for the common Cartesian systems.
They have a default of right-handed. DEWOKUB is our default system.
VOWOKUB is a left-handed Anthropomorpic system, etc.

ANTHROPOMORPHIC (default)     WOKUB  From she and cube.
PHYSICAL                      FIKUB  Phonetic from Fisics
MATHEMATICAL                  KOKUb  Phonetic from Kount

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>> But as a practical matter, we are only using one
>> system, Anthropomorphic and right-handed.
>  I'm perfectly cool with seperate words.
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>> >prepositions/verbs of motion, they may be inflected as NGL verbs in
>> >whatever system?
>> I'm not sure I entirely understand, but you could jettison VTT (Vector
>> Time Tense) completely and use yours or Stephens's system  with VST
>> (Vector Space Tense). Just use any "pazil" type of expression with the
>> verb:
>OK, that I understood, but I was wondering if a form such as:
>       te pazilom      "I go right" would be valid.
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Semanticly I think "te pazilom" works. There might be a grammatical
problem in a form like

te pazko-om [I go up] with the doubled vowel. Perhaps te pazk:om would
be unambiguous, but I don't understand your system well enough to
pronounce it. In any case, why not try these
:
   mit pazil  [I now go right], or  (mi+te;( I + present tense)
   mem pazil  [I am going right], (mi+em); (I +present progressive), or
   mum pazil  [I will be going rightward] (mi+um);( I +fut. progressive.)
   min pazil pa [I will have walked rightward]. (mi+nu) (I+ future-mu).
   I use pa from the Ogden set for walk.

   The bare path, velocity, or acceleration vector only claims
   movement. The displacement vector claims only a location. I have to
   work on a force only vector. I think in general it is a good idea to
   use a verb to define the type of motion, walking , running, flying,
   swimming, whatever. It is interesting that the vector can be an
   adverb and a verb.


>> You can put any tense or person affixes you want on your verbs.
>> Sorry I still am not clear about tib- and tibe; which is the root, and
>> whether there is an equivalent of the infinitive without a subject.
>> Thanks much for your insightful comments.
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>All the forms in the Ogden set are roots.  The conjugation is:
>Number:        generic sing.   paucal  plural
>person  **
>1      tibeo'  tibeom  tibeor  tibeos
>2      tibea'  tibeam  tibear  tibeas
>3      tibe    tibem   tiber   tibes
>** The ' does not mark the generic, it's only there to satisfy the
>phonology.  The 3rd person generic is only orthographicly irregular, in
>speach the vouel would be geminate (root: /tibe/ 3g: /tibe:/)
Alright, I can't get a yes or not on whether your verbs have an
infinitive equivalent, so when I use them I will use the root common to
all forms, the rootci, here tib-, and save a sylable. I will use it as
an untensed form.  Vector mixes freely with inflections, any of your
person/tense forms can be substituted for a vector particle. I don't
know what the implications of all that are yet. I've just been trying
to develop a language-independent tense system. Generally I believe the
semantic load on a verb should be distributed fore and aft.

There are two children, four adults, and a television set, all talking,
in my immediate environment; ICG NETCOM, my ISP, ate this post once,
and I don't feel up to commenting your reply on the causes of prolixity
today. I appreciate the work and hope it is accurate. If so, we may
have a very good wordset. I would like to hear Stephen's comments on
the esthetics of the shortened verson.

Till later,
jerry
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>Sincerely,
>       Jack Durst
>Spynx@sierra.net
>[this posting written in Net English]
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