Sorry was thinking more Ireland, I got to get more specific, but
the rise of marriage in a church was alot due to the basic fact
that post break up of Rome, many of the legal offices just
ceased to exist.. Churchs being often the only ones who kept
records, and could read/write.. Not always the case, but..
Clunic reformations in the 12th century addressed the issue of
priests that had not calling to be priests, but did it cause of
lineage than calling.. Why priests today do not marry, was cause
of the abuses addressed in the Clunic Reformation.
Not into flame wars, more like, watching what I once knew,
degrading into mush..
Conlangs, yes, back to that..
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: "R A Brown" <ray@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Marriage, With Child, Sex and motherhood.
> Michael Adams wrote:
> > People forget that marriage for many centuries was a SECULAR
> > thing, only during the middle ages with the rise of the
Catholic
> > church and its records keeping, did marriage become
religious,
>
> I hate to disillusion you, but Christians were having
Christian marriage
> long before the Middle Ages. Indeed, during the 'Dark Ages'
that
> followed the gradual break up of the western Roman Empire,
there were
> precious few civil authorities to regulate secular marriage -
and that
> was way before the Middle Ages.
>
> Also, I am not sure how the Orthodox Christians of the Eastern
Empire,
> which endured to the 15th cent would re-act to the above claim
that
> marriage only became religious with the rise of Catholicism in
the
> Middle Ages!!!!
>
> I may have misunderstood, but I was sort of under the
impression that
> the marriage regulations in Old Testament had religious
significance.
>
> I can assure you that in the PRE-Christian pagan Roman Empire,
marriage
> was most certainly religious.
>
> > other than you asked for things to be blessed.
> >
> > Ireland it was secular up until the 1500s or so.
>
> Oh! So the Irish mission of Columba, Aidan and others to
Britain in the
> 6th & 7th centuries, and indeed to mainland Europe, weren't
religious!
> :-D))))
>
> > Only with the
> > choice "Catholic or Protestant" became embroiled in the
Henry
> > VIII debates, and the link of Catholic = Irish, English =
> > Protestant.. Did many of the Irish even care about strict
> > observations of the faith.
>
> I don't think it would be wise to repeat the above in any
Irish pub ;)
>
> What is the point of these incredibly inaccurate ramblings?
What have
> they to do with *CONLANGING*?
>
> You post "information" about Mormons, that Dirk knows nothing
about; you
> post these inaccuracies above. Are you deliberately trying to
annoy
> people and provoke flames?
>
> Please don't do it.
>
> --
> Ray
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