Betreft: Re: Pidgin Gothic (Was: Re: New Lang, but Just For Fun)

>>> Padraic Brown <pbrown@...> 01/21 5:02  >>>
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Rob Nierse wrote:
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>BTW, I have some more questions:
>1) Thinking of loanwords, I was thinking of what happened in
>that world. What made those Goths become so powerful that their
>language became the trading language (and not Russian or
>Turkish or ...). Anyone with a suggestion on this conculture topic?
There were, of course, Gothic speakers in the Crimea at least up to
the 16th century. Perhaps if sometime between the 4th and 16th
centuries or so, these other Goths are able to forge themselves into
a halfway decent and powerful state, perhaps based upon Black Sea
trade. They'd have to able to either fight off or absorb waves of
incomming barbarians, and eventually Turks and Russians.


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That is what I had in mind: The Crimean Goths got strong and
dominated the area.
But they kept speaking Gothic fluently, of course.
I'm still thinking about the ethnic identity of the people who
speak Pidgin Gothic (which is more like a creole, btw).

I'm thinking of this:
The Goths dominate the Black Sea and even get out of it.
They conquer some islands like Rhodes and Malta, and even settle
on the coast of Tunesia.
They use prisoners of war as slaves on those islands.
The Goths mix the people as much as possible in order to prevent
uprisings. So the native tongues of the speakers of PG can be:
- Russian/Bulgarian
- Greek
- Arab/Maltese
- Georgian/Avar/Ciraccian

Gives me a lot of possibilities of substrate influences.

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>2) What do you think, will the [T] (thorn) be maintained or will
>it be replaced by another sounds (because the spekaers of
>the other languages don't have that sounds) like [t], [s] or [f].
Crimean Gothic has thorn. Look up Alphonse Juilland's "Crimean Gothic"
for more. If you can't find it, I have it and will you help as I may.

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The Greek have a [T] too, so they keep it in their speech.
Does Arab have a [T]?
Russians and others convert it to [t]

Question:
is it possible / reasonable to convert 'q' [k_w] to [p] ?
and 'hu' [x_w] to [f]  ?
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