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r's (was Re: Rating Languages)

From:Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...>
Date:Thursday, September 27, 2001, 20:19
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 04:02 AM, taliesin the storyteller

> * Yoon Ha Lee said on 2001-09-25 15:54:56 +0200 >> If Korean has a trilled r, I never heard it in any of the Seoul or Pusan >> area dialects I encountered; it may, of course, have existed in some past >> form of Korean, but my personal knowledge only goes back to the speech of >> my grandmother's generation. Korean only has the alveolar tap, [..] > > The Norwegian r used to be trilled by "all", (IIRC there's an isolated > valley where ppl still trill it,) now it's generally a tap, and in > some places it's /x/, /X/, /j/, /R/... easy to pick out dialects by, > actually... My short r's are tapped, the long r's tend to be trilled, > but that's just me being damaged by conlanging I think :) (All my > conlangs so far have used alveolar trilled r). >
<laugh> I feel vaguely guilty including sounds I can't produce in a conlang. Isn't that silly? So far Czevraqis and Tsuhon use the alveolar tap, but dialectal variations undoubtedly have many different flavors of "r".
> Heh, try humming on trilled r's :) tongue-tip starts to feel funny after > a while, not to mention one's ears. Uvular trilled r's - now those are > hard, they always peter out on me. >
Strangely enough, I found the uvular trill easier. Win some, lose some. :-) They do make your tongue feel funny after a while too, though. YHL