Re: USAGE: Glottal stop for /t/ (was Re: 2nd person pronoun for god)

 --- Jake X <alwaysawake247@...> wrote: > >
you left out [?_h] which is how my brother
> pronounces final /t/ and /k/
> > (which makes words like "lake" [lEj?_h] and "late"
> [lEj?_h] homonyms)
> >
>
> I lived for a while in Brooklyn NY, and I've
> recently wondered about that.
> Who was the first to say ['bV,?Er] for /bVtEr/ (or
> is it [bV?@r] and
> /bVt@r/ ). Come to think of it, in Brooklyn they'd
> probably say ['bV,?@] . I
> think it's not aspirated when I hear it here. Do
> other people's dialects
> also have ? as cophonemic with t?
absolutely. the two most characteristic london accents
( estuary and cockney ) both have it, as do most of
the other variations. their spread is different tho :

cat [k&?] [k&?]
water [wO:t@] [wOU?V]
matress [m&tr@s] [m&?r@s]
saturday [s&?dEI] [s&?dVI]

in general, estuary only glottalises before a
syllable-initial consonant ( which can include a /?/
onset to a following word ) or, sometimes before a
/@/, which is then deleted. /tr/ is classed as a
cluster

in cockney glottalisation is allowed between vowels,
and /tr/ isn't a cluster ( so it becomes /?r/ )

/tl/ has a similar treatment, but i don't know the
phonetics to do the estuary . . . the release is at
the side of the mouth, and clusters with the /l/.
cockney on the other hand glottalises the /t/ and
vocalises the /l/ ( as [Uu] ). some variants of
estuary DO vocalise /l/, and then there would be a
division between the pronunciation i've described and
/tUu/

bn

btw, glasgow also has strong intervocalic [?] for /t/

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bnathyuw | landan | arR
stamp the sunshine out | angelfish
your tears came like anaesthesia | phèdre

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