Re: Non-linear full-2d writing (again)

Ray -

>> IIRC, it took a while for me to convince you of that, or of what the
>> hell I was trying to get at in the first place. :-P
>Yes, it did. But when I understood the implication of _fully_, I was
>convinced.
How would *you* explain it to someone else? (E.g. 'pre-conversion' you :-P)

I ran into a similar problem a few days ago, when talking to a
linguistics prof about this - she got stuck on the idea that it was
'non-temporal', and kept overstating my position as saying that I was
trying to have non-temporal *processing* (which is silly, aside from
the important exclusion of 'glance' level processing, which is fast
enough that it might as well be). I think I left that conversation
with her still thoroughly convinced that what I was talking about was
completely impossible by everything she knew from linguistics and
cogpsych - and me with the impression that she didn't understand what
I was trying to describe.

But then, Lakoff said the same thing when he gave me a F on my paper
about it. It'll probably be one of those nice things to frame and put
on my wall, once (if? nah, 'once') I succeed in making such a system.
:-P


Yahya -

> Yet just yesterday I may have unintentionally
> implied that Sai's quest for 2D writing systems
> was poorly motivated ...
*shrug* Motivation is hard to judge. I make no claims that my ideas
need be interesting to others.

> Humble apologies!  I'm sure your reasons for
> wanting a 2D writing system are much better than
> mere technical capability.  And your latest posts on
> this topic are more concerned than ever with the
> idea of writing expressing a gestalt, with higher-
> level connections.  Sometimes I thinnk the ideal
> poem would be like that - a simple, integrated whole.
>
> Indeed, I hadn't yet joined this list in May, so I
> had better follow Ray's advice and look up the
> original thread.
No offense taken. Please do read those, and let us know what you think
about the idea once you have. I (and others here most likely) could
use some more inspiration / ideas about how this could be done.

I'm currently a bit stuck on it - pending, as you say, the gestalt.
It's like poetry-writing for me; I can't really force myself to do it
until I have a cogent concept of what the idea / image / scene / etc.
is. And in this case, while I have a few ideas of how I want it to
work, and various angles at it, I don't have a good feeling of the
gestalt.

I figure that once I do, the rest will come pretty quickly though.

 - Sai

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