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half voiced (was: Digest Deux)

From:Tristan Alexander McLeay <anstouh@...>
Date:Monday, November 5, 2001, 1:23
At 05.24 a.m. 4.11.2001 -0500, you wrote:
 > <<What's a half voiced sound? Indeed, what is the English phonology
>_actually_ like, phonetically speaking?>> > > I'll venture a short explanation to draw other more learned > citizens out. > Cosonants are usually voiced intervocalically and > word-finally. This is only "usually", however, since they can appear > voiceless. The main key in telling the difference between voiced and > voiceless stops in English is aspiration. Intervocalically and in > non-stressed positions is the only place where you're likely to find some > variation, and even then, some strings have been pulled, so that /t/ and > /d/ are always [4] (alveolar flap), so that there is no distinction. /g/ > is never voiced, apparently--only very rarely, and that has to do with > the aerodynamic voicing constraint. So the two velar stops in English > are [k] and [k_h]. When the issue of "half-voicing" comes up, what that > means is that is that the sound starts out voiced, but ends up being > voiceless, and this also has to do with the aerodynamic voicing > constraint. Say in the word "bad". You'd expect something like [b&:d], > but you end up with something more like [p&dt], where the consonant is > initially voiced, but (and this happens especially utterance finally) > when you come to the end, you tend to let the voicing go, and the end of > the [d] ends up being more like a [t]. You can verify this with sound > analysis software, such as PRAAT (the one I use).
So does this kind of stuff relate to why children say 'basketti' for 'spaghetti'? (Not so much the metathesis but more the p>b and g>k changes.)
> Other points of interest: > (a) The voiced, inter-dental fricative in English is most generally > realized as a voiced, inter-dental stop.
By this you mean /D/ (as in 'the')? Are you sure? I can draw it out about as easily as I can /z/, and a lot easilier than /d/ (which I actually can't draw out at all; it becomes /dz:/.
> (d) All the front vowels tend to be lower than their cardinal > positions.
This point I think doesn't stand for antipoedian English. In Australia /&/ is higher than an American one, and our good friends from Kiwiland and South Africa just raise all the short front vowels (except /I/ which is moved to [@] on the grounds of [I] being as high as a lax vowel will want to go, I imagine).
> I don't think anything else I could say would apply to all > varieties of English--and some of what I said already may not. Anyway, > someone else can jump in now. Unless we don't want to talk about English > phonetics. :)
So there: some of what you already said doesn't appear to. Tristan


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Tristan Alexander McLeay <anstouh@...>