Re: Keneidelakh (was: Gaelic thing)

Hello,

> Well, ['kEned] normally in colloquial pronunciation in the
> south.  North Walians, I believe, are more likely to say
> ['kEnedl=], which a south Walian would also say if s/he
> were being formal.
For what I've heard (both hearsay and clips) the epenthetic vowels in
polysyllables are featured in the North just as well as in the South.

> But the final /l/ becomes pronounced
> both formally and colloquially when suffixes are added, e.g.
> cenhedloeth [kEn'he:dlo1T] (north) or [kEn'he:dlo:T] (south)
> = nations.
Yes, because it doesn't create an extra syllable with a non-vocalic
peak.

Just by the way, how do other language handle this sort of thing?
Russian either devoices the sonorant, inserts an epenthetic [@]-sorty
vowel or drops it. Sometimes the more careful speakers let it bide and
live with syllabic sonorants. The poets have much trouble with words
like _korabl'_, _tigr_...

> (Yes, the {h} after _cen_ is correct - but that's another story  :)
Ah, the -nt- developments :)

> In words where two or more syllables precede the final postconsonantal
>   -l or -r, the final is usually dropped in the south, thus:
> ffenestr (window) ['fEnEst]. But _ffenestri_ (windows) [fE'nEstri].
From what I've learned, it's just that -r is usually dropped but with -l
a svarabakhti occurs. Well anyway dialectal variatiation in phonetical
features is wild in Wales.

Pavel
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