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Re: Questions about Japanese historical phonology.

From:Isaac A. Penzev <isaacp@...>
Date:Tuesday, August 24, 2004, 9:14
Steven Williams scripsit:

> Did [p] shift to [h] at some point, as evidenced by > the order of the kana ([ha], [ba] <ha + voicing mark>, > [pa] <ha + circle>)?
Yes.
> If so, about when did this occur?
I'm not sure. Somewhen in the Middle Ages. You should ask Nik Taylor (he is now available at <conculture> list), he may know better.
> While I'm at it, can someone show me what the > (reconstructed) phonetic inventory of the earlier > stages of Japanese was like?
How early? Old Japanese? Or Proto-Japanese? According to Starostin [1975, 1991] the inventory was like this: PJ OJ *p p *m m *b-, -w- w *t t *n-, -N n, -Ø *d-, -j- j *-r- r *s s *k k *i i *u u *@ o *a a Other changes from PJ > OJ: - voicing after *n: *-mp- > b *-nt- > d *-ns- > z *-nk- > g - simplification of diphthongs: *ia > ie *ua > uo *ui > ii *@i > ii *ai > e
> I've got quite a few > niggling little questions, like why there seems to be > quite a few words that switch nasals with voiced stops > in certain environments (like one of the verb > conjugations, which, for the life of me, I can't > remember).
Well, synchronicly that is simple: -tsu, -ru, -u (older -fu) > -tta -mu, -bu, -nu > -nda -ku > -ita -gu > -ida -eru, iru > -eta, -ita. Why it is so, ask Nik. It has something to do with assimilation processes.
> ===== > "Alle Idole müssen sterben." > "All idols must die."
A nice phrase. And a good reason to apply ObConlang rule: So, in Kuman-Tyli it may sound like "Bary ydol ölürýe kerek"... -- Yitzik

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Steven Williams <feurieaux@...>