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Re: A dialogue in Old Urianian.

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Saturday, February 24, 2007, 11:40
>On 23/02/07, Henrik Theiling <theiling@...> wrote: > > > > Sorry about my question, I am not an expert of Finno-Ugric langs, but > > I thought that standard Finnish orthography preserves {d} because > > there are some dialects that still pronounce it /D/. > >Finnish does indeed "have" a "D", but the Finnish national standard >language >is a somewhat artificial language which is a compromise between various >dialects; in the "standard language" "d" is pronounced more or less as "d" >but this is an invention based on/borrowing from Swedish - as far as I >know, >no native dialect has a "d", pronouncing the sound denoted by "d" variously >as "r", "j", "T", or other ways. > >Jeff
[D] was last used in the old Rauma dialect; the city is located a little north of Turku, so Sámi influence is out of the question. (There's no [T] however; that's a variant of /ts/ from the same area.) Also, [d] indeed isn't attested from any old Finnish dialect. AIUI Veps, one of the easternmost Fennic langs, has it however. I don't count this as a survived PU /D/ however, because Finnish /d/ mostly derives from lenition of /t/. I suppose it is possible (likely, even) that the fortition of PU /D/ > [t] was simultaneous with the introduction of gradation and thus words like _ydin_ ("core") could be considered to dialectally preserve an original [D]. Nevertheless, original phone_m_ic /D/ (or: a distinction between words that had PU /D/, vs. PU /t/) was certainly lost. I also dout if the Rauman [D] actually exists any more... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Uutisista turhaan tietoon. Mitä ikinä etsitkin, MSN Search löytää hakemasi.