Re: Politeness
From: | M.E.S. <suomenkieli@...> |
Date: | Saturday, April 6, 2002, 10:47 |
--- Christopher B Wright <faceloran@...> wrote:
> Iyan Makswel nsakwish:
> >Hey, I had an idea for a "politeness" rule in
> Lyngom-Vampyr and was
> wondering if
> >a similar phenomenon occurs in any natlang.
>
> It happens in Japanese as well as English, I hear.
> Eurolangs usually do
> this with pronouns (such as Spanish usted from
> wossname "your mercy",
> such as English "you" rather than "thee, thou").
> Spanish also has that
> special word I forget for "I would like".
Yeah, I lied saying I'd only reply to one email
earlier - this is my second reply so I'll be late to
my rendezvous, but I couldn't resist! :-)
Spanish "I would like" would most definitely be
"quisiera" and in archaic Span. "quisiese". It's not
that special of a form if you consider other verbs of
this tense (past conditional, I think, but I really
can't recall the tense schema very well at the
moment). You have "pudiera" which is "(I or s/he)
would be able..." as in "would you be able to open the
open?" - it's of the same verb tense.
As for Japanese, you are 100% correct these people
don't ask direct questions; even if their questions
are direct among themselves, questions still sound so
formal to the unaccustomed foreign ear!
Ex: English direct ques.--> Japanese direct ques.
- Where's the door?
--> Door, where be.may/it (?)
[To wa, doko deshou ka] =OR=
[Doa wa, doko desu ka]
- Can you tell me where the door is?
--> Door, where (?) teaching-receive.not may/I (?)
[To wa, doko ka oshiete-itadakemasen deshou ka]
- Feel free to call with any questions. (eg, business)
--> Nanika go-fumeina ten ga arimashiara, douzo
go-renraku kudasaimasu yoo (ni) onegai-moushi-
agemasu.
[Something (honorific, =you/r)-not.clear point
exist.(conditional, =if), in.all.ways
(honorific, =you/r)-contact give way (into)
(humbly, =we) request-(humbly, =we) verbalize.]
M.E.S.
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