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Re: Gender (was: LANGUAGE LAWS)

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Friday, October 23, 1998, 5:57
Mathias M. Lassailly wrote:
> So those 8 categories do not classify items in the world into big > families through specific logics now forgotten ? :-)
They do have general meanings, for example, in Bantu (and I'm assuming Xhosa is the same way, being Bantu and all), gender 1 is human. However, they are not fully consistent. I don't know enough about the Bantu languages to give an explanation, but consider the Latin three-gender system. Theoretically, male and female were male and female animates, while neuter was inanimate, but there were *lots* of inanimate nouns which were classed as masculine and feminine, and of course, the modern Romance languages are even worse, having only the two genders. Almost all gender systems are like that. A generalized meaning can be summed up for a gender (or noun class as they're sometimes reffered to as), but there are nearly always exceptions. I've heard of a few languages (Tamil, I think, is one), with completely consistent gender systems (in this case, male-rational, female-rational, animate, inanimate; rational = human or divine, animate = other animate), but this is by far the exception, rather than the rule. Others, like Dyirbal, only seem inconsistent from a Western perspective, but are actually quite rational from their perspective. For example, in Dyirbal, birds are placed in the female-human gender, rather than the animate gender, because they believe that birds are the souls of dead females. But, if the culture changes, those reasons may be lost, so perhaps the exceptions in many languages may have been rational in earlier stages, but who knows? It's like Sally Cave's metaphor of the old city, you may have ancient buildings, built thousands of years ago, next to buildings built just a couple of years ago, built according to different architectures and for different technologies (pre-air conditioning buildings with high ceilings, for example). -- "It's bad manners to talk about ropes in the house of a man whose father was hanged." - Irish proverb http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/Conlang/W.html ICQ: 18656696 AOL: NikTailor