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Re: Voices

From:Steven Williams <feurieaux@...>
Date:Monday, December 6, 2004, 0:48
 --- "Thomas R. Wier" <trwier@...> wrote:
> Except that some languages have explicitly distinct > reflexive and middle morphology, e.g. Meskwaki. > Voices in general alter the valency of the verb > (increasing or decreasing), while reflexives and > middles are quite diverse in their transitivity.
Ahh. I was curious about the valency operations of the German 'sich' expressions; many times, it didn't look like that altered the valency very much at all: 'Er schleppte die Paketen den Berg hinauf' he.ACT dragged the.parcels.PAT the.mountain upwards 'He dragged the parcels up the mountain.' = bivalent 'Er schleppte sich den Berg hinauf.' he.ACT dragged himself.PAT the.mountain upwards 'He dragged himself up the mountain.' = still bivalent Doesn't look like a voice to me. --- "Steven Williams" <feurieaux@...> wrote:
> > English has some constructions that look > > suspiciously applicative
--- "Thomas R. Wier" <trwier@...> wrote:
> Could you give examples? English AFAIK doesn't have > anything > like the applicatives of Bantu or Algonquian > languages.
You know, I thought about that and I couldn't come up with anything that wasn't so construed as not to be ridiculous. I thought about 'he undermined the wall' as one, but that seems like an anomaly, since constructions like that often have entirely different lexical meanings; consider the difference between 'go' (motion, intransitive) and 'undergo' (experience, transitive). I retract my statement, after a bit of thought on the matter.
> Hundreds of Bantu languages have applicatives. In > fact, it's one of the things they're famous for (in > addition to their tonal phonology).
Do you know of any good reference material on the Bantu languages? I've been extremely curious about them.