|From:||Steven Williams <feurieaux@...>|
|Date:||Monday, December 6, 2004, 0:48|
--- "Thomas R. Wier" <trwier@...> wrote:
> Except that some languages have explicitly distinct
> reflexive and middle morphology, e.g. Meskwaki.
> Voices in general alter the valency of the verb
> (increasing or decreasing), while reflexives and
> middles are quite diverse in their transitivity.
Ahh. I was curious about the valency operations of the
German 'sich' expressions; many times, it didn't look
like that altered the valency very much at all:
'Er schleppte die Paketen den Berg hinauf'
he.ACT dragged the.parcels.PAT the.mountain upwards
'He dragged the parcels up the mountain.'
'Er schleppte sich den Berg hinauf.'
he.ACT dragged himself.PAT the.mountain upwards
'He dragged himself up the mountain.'
= still bivalent
Doesn't look like a voice to me.
--- "Steven Williams" <feurieaux@...> wrote:
> > English has some constructions that look
> > suspiciously applicative --- "Thomas R. Wier" <trwier@...> wrote:
> Could you give examples? English AFAIK doesn't have
> like the applicatives of Bantu or Algonquian
You know, I thought about that and I couldn't come up
with anything that wasn't so construed as not to be
ridiculous. I thought about 'he undermined the wall'
as one, but that seems like an anomaly, since
constructions like that often have entirely different
lexical meanings; consider the difference between 'go'
(motion, intransitive) and 'undergo' (experience,
I retract my statement, after a bit of thought on the
> Hundreds of Bantu languages have applicatives. In
> fact, it's one of the things they're famous for (in
> addition to their tonal phonology).
Do you know of any good reference material on the
Bantu languages? I've been extremely curious about them.