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Re: rhotic miscellany, and a usage note

From:J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
Date:Friday, November 5, 2004, 13:07
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:52:41 -0500, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote:

>J. 'Mach' Wust wrote: >> > --- Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> skrev: >> >> That was the /r/ used by Hitler, as you hear on >> >> ancient newsreels. It may be - I don't know - that >> >> this accounts for its demise in the last half >> >> century. >> >> As I've said, I think the accent used in these ancient newsreels was just >> the standard media accent of that time, for nazis as well as for >> communists or democrats. We just happen to hear more nazi newsreels than >> other ones (which is sad if you think about it). > >Hitler was Austrian IIRC and began his political rise in Bavaria. Is the >trilled r possibly a southern feature?
I don't know how the /r/ is realized in Bavarian dialects. Hitler, however, didn't have no Bavarian in his speech. He spoke just the standard media accent of his time. ============================================== On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:48:34 +0100, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
>Quoting John Cowan <jcowan@...>: > >> Roger Mills scripsit: >> >> > --almost an American /r/ in final position in unstressed words like >> > der, einer, though it's possible it's uvular and doesn't come thru the >> > recording process well. The first word of "Cäsars Tod"-- Rom -- sounds >> > very American. >> >> It's probably [a], which is a common realization of -er; non-syllabic [a] >> is likewise a common realization of -r that is not -er. > >I'd say it's normally a centralish [6].
Normally, yes, though in sung speech (or other over-explicit pronunciations), that sound be split up into a schwa-like part and an [R]-like part. gry@s: j. 'mach' wust

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