Re: Help with case names

>Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:39:40 -0800 (PST)
>  From: Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...>
>X-X-Sender: valoczy@earth
>To: BP Jonsson <melroch@...>
>cc: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
>Subject: Re: Help with case names
>
>>?   -sti    benefactive (for)
>
>This'd be dative
Not really.  A simple dative like "John gives the book to Mary" would use
the allative (as in Finnish).  The benefactive is more abstract in sense
like "John does the homework for Mary" or "John spent years in prison for
Mary('s sake)".


>>     -bju    subessive (under)
>>     -rtja   sublative (below)
>>     -ti     superessive (on)
>>?   -bu     superlative (over)
>
>Odd as it might be, the sublative refers to "motion to on top of sg".
So I would need other names for all "these above and below" cases?  Any ideas?

-bju means "stationary below/under" or "moving from below/under"
-rtja means "moving to below/under"

-ti means "stationary (up)on/over" or "moving from (up)on/over"
-bu means "movin to (up)on/over"

If it is -bu which is "sublative" in your terminology, what does that make
-rtja in your terminology?  Superlative?


>>     -mpa    translative (through)
>>
>>The "amid, among" case might perhaps be called _interessive_, but what
>>about the "outside" case?  The only thing I can come up with is _exessive_,
>>but this sounds like "excessive"!
>
>And the excessive does exist as a case in Votian and Madzhi (probably
>others too...) An example of its meaning:
>
>ta:ma: on jo      tulo~nnu koosse        soldatind.
>3sg    is already arrived  home-ALLATIVE soldier-EXCESSIVE He has already
>returned home from being a soldier. (Meaning, he isn't a soldier anymore).
>
>It works the same way in Madzhi.
Cool, but this is not what the Saslupa -ra case means; it would be used in
cases like "The horses are outside the house" [horses] [house]-ra

I think I shall call it "exteressive".

/BP 8^)>
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