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Re: Nonpulmonic conlang?

From:ROGER MILLS <rfmilly@...>
Date:Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 16:42
Ray Brown wrote:
>> >>I can imagine something like a Salishan (?) or other NW Coast >>Amerindian language (using some of your symbols)-- [p'ts'tl'xk'] >>meaning maybe 'the canoe is going downstream' or whatever ;-)))) >>though I don't know how long one could carry one like that, as, basically, >>it involves holding one's breath :-)) > >Yep - which rather limits the length of an utterance and, indeed, would >make meaningful communication somewhat difficult for those with >breathing problems. > >Presumably the syllabic nucleus of the above is the vocoid */l'/ (or is >|tl| a lateral affricate?) -
Yes, that was what I meant. Knoweldge of CXS abandoned me for a while. Similarly my [ts], an affricate. And IIRC, "pi_cch_u" as in Machu Picchu is supposed to be an ejective too, though I suspect only local Quechuas or Aymaras pronounce it correctly. but my understanding is that an
>approximant, >even a lateral approximant, cannot be ejective.
That is true.
> >Ejective (i.e. glottalic egressive) consonants are normally stops, tho >ejective fricative are, I'm told, attested in some languages.
And voiceless, of course. I think some of the NW Coast languages have ejective [s'] and perhaps [x'] and maybe others (voiceless [l]-ejective??), if I recall my reading in the Boaz/Sapir et al analyses published way back in the early 20th C.