Re: USAGE: 2nd pers. pron. for God

Quoting Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@...>:

> On 11 Sep 02, at 18:30, Arthaey Angosii wrote:
>
> > Emaelivpahr Philip Newton:
> > >BTW, I pronunce |dost| /dVst/ (i.e. like "dust"). |doest| is /du@st/,
> "of
> > >course".
> >
> > I (think I) pronounce "dust" /d@st/
>
> *Strictly* speaking, I think that I do, too -- /d@st/ but [dVst]. Since
> slashes mark phonemes, and someone convinced me that [V] and [@] are
> allophones of the same phoneme /@/; the stress or not of the syllable
> determines the realisation.
You know, I've always read that there's this difference
between the two phones, but I've never met anyone from
any region that actually distinguishes the two in two
separate phonemes.

> > So I pronounce "dost" the same as you do, but my "dust" sounds different.
>
> Interesting. Do you have a pronunciation difference between "mention"
> and "men shun"? I believe I do, and make it ["mEnS@n]/["mEnSn=] and
> ["mEn"SVn], respectively. So that's kind-of a minimal pair for me (not
> quite, because different stress is involved).
Those aren't homophonous for me, since I get an excrescent
[t] inserted in there for _mention_:  [mIntS@n], and in
allegro speech for "men shun".

> > Mainly, I'm just trying to get the hang of the IPA. :)  Where are
> > you from? CA, USA here.
>
> You mean, where's my lect from? :)
>
> I was born and raised in Germany, but grew up speaking (roughly) RP; my
> father is from England. Specifically, from Leicester, but he doesn't
> speak like the locals -- to me, it sounds like a rather neutral
> "generic British" accent. Then came school which had the result of
> overlaying a "generic American" accent, and what I speak now depends on
> whom I'm speaking with.
Did you get your schooling in Germany or Britain? In either
case, I don't see why American accents would be taught in
school. (Of course, if you had lots of Americans as classmates,
that might change things.)

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