Re: USAGE: 2nd pers. pron. for God

On 11 Sep 02, at 18:30, Arthaey Angosii wrote:

> Emaelivpahr Philip Newton:
> >BTW, I pronunce |dost| /dVst/ (i.e. like "dust"). |doest| is /du@st/, "of
> >course".
>
> I (think I) pronounce "dust" /d@st/
*Strictly* speaking, I think that I do, too -- /d@st/ but [dVst]. Since
slashes mark phonemes, and someone convinced me that [V] and [@] are
allophones of the same phoneme /@/; the stress or not of the syllable
determines the realisation.

> So I pronounce "dost" the same as you do, but my "dust" sounds different.
Interesting. Do you have a pronunciation difference between "mention"
and "men shun"? I believe I do, and make it ["mEnS@n]/["mEnSn=] and
["mEn"SVn], respectively. So that's kind-of a minimal pair for me (not
quite, because different stress is involved).


> I (think I) pronounce "dust" /d@st/ which is also what I hear in the
> Merriaw-Webster wave file at
>
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?dust0001.wav=dust
Yes, that sounds close to how I pronounce the words, though not exactly
the same. I can't tell where the speaker's vowel is relative to mine in
the parallelogram, but it's close enough. Same phoneme, certainly.

> Mainly, I'm just trying to get the hang of the IPA. :)  Where are
> you from? CA, USA here.
You mean, where's my lect from? :)

I was born and raised in Germany, but grew up speaking (roughly) RP; my
father is from England. Specifically, from Leicester, but he doesn't
speak like the locals -- to me, it sounds like a rather neutral
"generic British" accent. Then came school which had the result of
overlaying a "generic American" accent, and what I speak now depends on
whom I'm speaking with. (My grammar and spelling has remained mostly
RP, and a moderately conservative variety at that -- my father had some
fairly strong views on what constitutes "proper language".)

But when I think inside my head, I think I use something similar to RP,
and when I use IPA of some variety to annotate my speech, that's the
variety I express.

Cheers /tSI@z/, <-- not rhotic
Philip
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Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@...>

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