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Re: a verb aspect--what's it called?

From:DOUGLAS KOLLER <laokou@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 3:39
From: "Sally Caves"

(Welcome back, Sally)

> How, for instance, in translation, would you render the > "contemplative"? Can you give us an example? And how > would it seem different from a subjunctive?
Subjunctive fissions into three moods in Géarthnuns: speculative, conclusive, and hortative (unless you want to throw German Konjunktiv I into the mix, and then you can add Géarthnuns discoursive).
> Let's see. Teonaht has an "inchoative" aspect particle,
Officially, no aspects in Géarthnuns, only tenses (though there are "perfect" tenses). Most aspect meaning is carried by verbs or adverbs.
> and it also has a "modal" that is used to mean hypothetical > or possible action. Let's see what I have there. Okay, > I've come back from my page: adry ennyve, "I am about to > eat," is what I call the "inchoative," action that one
Sí lí í glozh. Literally: I will just eat. (The same "just" as in "He just left.", not "only").
> is just starting upon or intending to do. I distinguish > it from the "inceptive," expressed by a modal: y mip ennyve, > "I'm beginning to eat," "I start or have started eating."
Sí la ba glozh zhgöchez. I pres-aux BA eat start. Since any two verbs together need to be linked by "ba", and words like "can" and "want" can be conjugated as any other verb, I don't know if we can say that Géarthnuns has modals.
> "Wemned," another modal, is T's only inclination towards > something like the subjunctive or the conditional: "y wem > ennyve" means "I may/might/could eat," and it seems to be > the closest thing to what you call the "contemplative."
This is where the Géarthnuns speculative kicks in: Sí la hauglozh. I may eat. I pres-aux eat-spec
> Yet > I have no name for it, and it often occurs in a cause/effect > clause: "Y wem ennyve ti tyr ennyve fy" (I may eat if you eat > too.)
Cause-effect, if-then, statements are indicated by a speculative-conclusive structure in Géarthnuns (making the actual word "if" optional): (Aim) öçek lí hauglozh, sí lí ífa-u heglozh. (if) you fut-aux eat-spec, I fut-aux also eat-concl "I *may* eat if you eat too." threw me for a loop; I'd never considered such a sentence. But then I recovered. You can't overlap mood prefixes in Géarthnuns, and to get around that there is a circumlocutory verb "jnéal", "be that", which fills in dummy grammatical slots and allows two moods to occur concurrently. Öçek lí hauglozh, che helkeths lí, gü sí lí ífa-u hauglozh sho, hejnéal. you fut-aux eat-spec, the that fut-aux, that I fut-aux also eat-spec SHO, be-concl Lit.: If you (will) eat, it will be that I may eat too.
> Not a very efficient system, since it covers too many > subtleties.
Nor mine, but the Géarthçins are a sesquipedalian bunch.
> I suppose it could stand alone, in which case > it means "I'm thinking about eating."
Extra verb time here: Sí la ba glozh mnürdef. I pres-aux BA glozh think.about/consider
> Y wem run for election > definitely means "I may run, I'm thinking of running,"
Sí la haushelíkh. I may campaign. Sí la ba shelíkh mnürdef. I'm thinking of campaigning.
>but > not necessarily "I should run." There is another modal, > "hmened," "to be constrained/obligated to," for that.
Sí la ba shelíkh daikh. I should/have to campaign. ("daikh" works sorta like French "devoir")
> There is the desiderative modal: "Y dihs ennyve, dihsry ennyve" > (I want to eat).
More extra verb time: Sí la ba glozh üraf. I pres-aux BA eat want Kou