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Re: OT: Phonetics (IPA)

From:JS Bangs <jaspax@...>
Date:Monday, July 14, 2003, 21:23
Mark J. Reed sikyal:

> And "preglottalization" of a stop refers to the insertion of a [?] > berfore it? (English "stop" /stOp/ is sometimes realized as [stO?p_}], > so I guess that would count. Hm. Does an unreleased stop after a ? > really add anything to the pronunciation? Could that be equivalently > written as just [stO?]?)
Well . . . no. Theoretically, [stO?p] is distinct from [stO?] and [stOp], but I dare anyone whose native language doesn't include such stops to make the distinction. Listening carefully to my own speech, it seems to me that [stO?p] can be distinguished from [stO?] mostly by virtue of slight anticipatory labialization of the vowel. Likewise, [stO?k] <stock> has some anticipatory velarization, keeping <stock> and <stop> from being homophones. (N.B. My native dialect actually doesn't preglottalize non-coronal stops, nor does it use the vowel [O]. But I can still hear the difference.)
> Also, I infer that the reason we regard <ch> = [tS] as a single sound, but > not <x> = [ks], is because the different places of articulation of [k] and > [s] prevent a thorough merger of those two sounds into a true affricate. > Right?
Non. We regard [tS] as a single sound *in English* because it behaves as such--you can begin a word with it where you can't other begin a word with stop + fricative, and other things. In other languages this is not necessarily true: German has [tS] sounds, but such is not a single phoneme because it patterns as a cluster. Some languages, such as Polish, can actually contrast the two: [t_S] is a single phonemes, but [tS] is a cluster. There's no reason that [ks] couldn't be monophonemic in some other language, but it certainly isn't in English. Monophonemic clusters at different places of articulation are rare, but not unheard-of, and my conlang Hiksilipsi uses /ks/ and /ps/ as single phonemes. In English [nd], [mb], [Ng] are clusters, but many African languages treat them as units. In general, deciding which clusters are single phonemes and which are units is a language-specific process. Jesse S. Bangs jaspax@u.washington.edu http://students.washington.edu/jaspax/ http://students.washington.edu/jaspax/blog Jesus asked them, "Who do you say that I am?" And they answered, "You are the eschatological manifestation of the ground of our being, the kerygma in which we find the ultimate meaning of our interpersonal relationship." And Jesus said, "What?"

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