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Re: CPA - An ASCII-based phonetic alphabet

From:Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
Date:Monday, November 19, 2001, 13:18
From: "Lars Henrik Mathiesen" <thorinn@...>
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:12:45 +1100 > > From: Tristan Alexander McLeay <anstouh@...> > > > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Lars Henrik Mathiesen wrote: > > > Well, IPA (and thus SAMPA) /w/ is a voiced labial-velar approximant, > > > but I think that Tristan wants a labial-retroflex approximant, without > > > a velar element. So [w`] seems misleading to me too. > > > > Hmm? I didn't want anything! Or maybe I `wanted' a voiced > > labial-velar-retroflex approximate from what I saw, but it was Muke > > who used the [w`] in the first place! > > Right, sorry for the misattribution. But the point stands, I think --- > IPA [w] isn't just a labial approximant, so it isn't the right symbol > to start from when transcribing a labial-retroflex one.
But I do get an idea that the sound is also velarized, hence [w] feels righter. (However, I may be misinterpreting the retroflexion as velarization?)
> I'm not sure if the US English sound in question is labiodental or > bilabial, but I'm guessing the former.
No, it's certainly bilabial (and rounded). I recorded a bit, for those who haven't any idea what I'm talking about; not that I think these weird details are particularly noticeable, but just because I feel like sharing the sound of my voice... rofl = Muke says "There is red hair in the drain". (50K wav) = The /r/ at the end of the syllable (in "there" and "hair") is not the same as the /r/ in question, which is only in onsets(in "red" and "drain".) *Muke!


Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@...>