Re: Grammar-holes: secondary predication

John Vertical wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:29:18 +0100, And Rosta wrote:
>
>> "I just met the woman who Tom is the son of Bill and" really does strike me as
> a hole, in that it's something that one might well want to say.
>
> A working circumvention (but probably not one that you'd think of immediately)
> might be "...the woman for whom Bill sired Tom"? Or, to be a bore, "Tom's
> mother" would work most of the time anyway ;)
>
> But this is sidestepping the actual issue by going into semantics... let's see if I
> can think of a similar example where this cannot be done. Hmm.
>   "We found some of the apples of which and Malaysian cinnamon the new
> cafe's pie gets its aroma from for sale at the market"
Replace "and" with "with" and it almost works. Actually the first
example could work that way as well.