Re: Beijing, Zhongguo, etc.

Lars Finsen skrev:
> Den 21. aug. 2008 kl. 18.23 skreiv Mark J. Reed:
>
>> Voiced [h] is IPA [ɦ], CXS [h\]. Still glottal
>> POA, vs velar [G].
>
> Weirder and weirder. This I'm not able to
> imitate at all. Guess I have to search YouTube
> or something and find some Czechs producing the
> name of their capital.
>
> LEF
>
/h/ usually is [h\] between vowels in Swedish, and
I can't imagine that Norwegian is any different in
this regard. It is not uncommon for sub-phonemic
distinctions to be very hard to make conscious, or
to reproduce sounds which are contextual
allophones in your L_1 'out of context'.

Perhaps you are trying to make [h\] too fricative.
It is actually a rather weak approximant.

BTW the rapid pronunciation of Swedish _behöva_
'to need' ['bh\2:v\a] is very handy when teaching
Swedes to pronounce breathy-voiced consonants!

/BP 8^)>
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