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Re: The profile of a conlanger (fwd)

From:Ed Heil <edheil@...>
Date:Friday, October 29, 1999, 16:11
I'm sorry that sounded so rude, Irina.

I'm just trying this new provider out right now to see how it works.
If it ends up infuriating people too much I will go back.  (I haven't
switched my conlang mail to it yet except for the "reply-to" which I
left on there without thinking, which caused your message to get
diverted there.)

I have had big problems with spam on some accounts and the idea of a
provider that goes to great lengths to prevent it is a wonderful
thing.  If the means of doing so offend people though, it won't be
worth it.

If a message comes in from someone who the system doesn't already
know to be a human being, it goes into a special "potential spam"
folder, and I can go in there, see that it's not really spam, and put
the sender on the "key list" of people whom it's OK to receive mail
from.

So yes, I can receive email there from people without web access.
And once a sender has been verified they will never receive an email
like that again.

And you can go in and pre-emptively verify mail from certain email
addresses; I had done so already with most of my regular
correspondents when I moved to the service.

But again, I apologize for the rude note from my provider.  I'll give
them some feedback about the offense it caused.  There has to be a
more informative or politic way to put it.  And it wouldn't hurt if
there was a way to self-verify thru email.

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             edheil@postmark.net
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Irina Rempt-Drijfhout wrote:

> I accidentally sent a reply to Ed personally, instead of to the list > (forgot to mind the reply-to) and got a very strange message from > Ed's new service provider. My comments are in {curly brackets}. > > Ed, can *you* tell them that it's OK to receive mail from me? I don't > think I want to go along with this. It's not done to force people to > go somewhere to confirm that you want to send mail - that effectively > stops people sending mail if they have no web access. > > Irina > ____________________________________________________________________ > > From spamtest@msgto.com Fri Oct 29 11:08:46 1999 > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 04:35:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: MsgTo.com AntiSpam Service <spamtest@...> > To: ira@rempt.xs4all.nl > Subject: Re: Your message to edward@msgto.com > > [ Part 1, Text/PLAIN 10 lines. ] > [ Unable to print this part. ] > > {But it says the same as the following - they don't know, or don't > want to know, that not everybody wants HTML mail} > > MsgTo.com Spam Protection Test > > You recently sent an email to edward@msgto.com. > > {Yes, I realize that now. My mistake, apparently.} > > edward@msgto.com uses MsgTo's unique system to eliminate spam and take > control of email. > > {"Take control of email"? Who - Ed or his provider? Of course Ed > should have control of his own email, but I don't think his provider > should.} > > Since this is your first email message to edward@msgto.com, please verify > that you are an individual sender, and not a bulk email sender, by > following the instructions on the image below. > > {Images in mail are also not done} > > MsgTo.Com Spam Protection Test > > [IMAGE] > > If the image above did not display, or you were not able to click on it, > please try to click the following link: >
http://aleph.msgto.com/servlet/TuringServlet/test/1107309724.941186103334.1372 7
> > {I can try all I like, but I'm using text mode. Dear msgto.com. not > everybody uses a web browser to read their mail; not everyone even > has something to click with. I can highlight it and press Enter, and > I've even trained Pine to start Lynx when I do that, but I keep my > mail activity separate from my WWW activity and I'm not online all > the time, so Lynx can't reach it. It's very uncivil to assume that > people have permanent web access and not to provide an alternative} > > If you want to learn more: What is This? > > {No, I don't want to learn more; I want you (that is msgto.com; I'm > not blaming Ed for using an incompetent provider) to offer a way > for people without web access to send mail, and to learn that there > are people who use text-only for mail by choice or necessity. The > whole thing gives me an eerie feeling that msgto.com assumes that if > you can't click a link you're a spammer; very uncomfortable} > > > Varsinen an laynynay, saraz no arlet rastynay. > irina@rempt.xs4all.nl (myself) > http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsarempt/irina/index.html (English) > http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsarempt/irina/backpage.html (Nederlands) >