Re: Phonology idea

Rob Nierse writes:
>>>>>>
Sounds neat! Now I see why there are no consonants other than clicks.
Since you asked if it was too weird for a human language, I was thinkin=
g of
human points of articulation.
Why don't you opt for more points of articulation. They are aliens anyw=
ay
..
<<<<<<
More points of articulation where?  In the (nasal) airstream?

Anybody got any suggestions as to how I can a) notate this, and b) keep=
 it
humanly-pronounceable?

>>>>>>
> "Yes", and "Huh?" in that order.
If nasals are/can be a syllable on their own, then they can have a tone=
 of
their own.
Take a look at Quiotepec Chinantec:
m?1             'ant'           (? =3D glottal stop, 1 =3D tone)
m:23            'sandal'                (: =3D ;length)
hm?3            'tomato'
?m:3m?4 'you pinch'
m:42m?m24       we (excl.) pinch'
That's what I meant.
But your words are nasal and just nasal. So you can have one tone only =
in
your word.
I hope I'm clear on this, but probably I am not.
<<<<<<
Very clear.  You've also set me thinking about a language with no "mout=
h-based"
components whatsoever in its phonology.  Watch this space for details..=
.

>>>>>>
> For a "back" retroflex, curl
> the tip of the tongue as far back as you possibly can (while still be=
ing
able to
> produce a click).  In fact, having tried it a few times, I think a cl=
ick
is the
> only phone I'm capable of producing at that POA.
I tried it. It worked, but I was happy there was no one else in the roo=
m
(what would they have thought I was doing?)
<<<<<<

Actually, I found clicks the easiest phones to innocently "practice" wi=
thout
raising too much suspicion.  They're easier to disguise as "thinking no=
ises"
than most other sounds, especially vowels... :-)  I find sitting at my =
desk,
thoughtfully going "/E/, /e/ ... /E:/, /e:/ ... /Ei/ /ei/ ..." often ge=
ts funny
looks!

>>>>>>
> Words are likely to end up mono- or bi-syllabic.  The {w} shows that =
the
lips
> should be rounded throughout the syllable.  As noted below, the
lip-shaping is
> more of a "color" to the nasal, rather than a vowel in it's own right=
.
The
> romanisation is designed to closely reflect a "functional" native scr=
ipt
(ie one
> that works like Hangul) that is only roughly formed thusfar.
> > Lip shapes:
> > Basically, (from close to open, as unrounded) the shapes are {i,e,u=
,a}
> followed by {w} to show rounding.
> >
It makes me think of Adyge. In Adyge there are three vowels: i- (barred=
 i),
@ and a. So the only distinction is the openness, just as in m"/21aw. Y=
ou
could make a system like this:
rounded unrounded
=FC     i
=F6     e
o       E
a       A
>
<<<<<<

Yeah.  Looks interesting, and here's why...

I've considered producing both the current "functional" romanisation an=
d a
"naive" romanisation (i.e. one which might have been invented and impos=
ed by an
18/19th century European colonial power, rather than by a careful lingu=
ist).
Examples might be {b'dlho`u} (o`=3Do grave) for {m"/21aw}, or something=
.
Potentially, I then need an even more mangled romanisation for use by t=
he
"general public" of such a power, perhaps {bedlo}.

>>>>>>
> I dont see how your
> examples of !=3D and =3D! would be different to each other?
There are not. Slip of the finger!
<<<<<<
Thast quite acceptable  .We all fal foull tot he odd tyop from timeto t=
imr.
(Some of them are VREY odd! _;)

>>>>>>
> Damin?  I'll go look it up in a bit more detail.  URLs?
>
I can find it anymore! Once I read about it. It is an Australian langua=
ges
used by men. It is the only language that has a *pulmonic ingressive* s=
ound
attested. It is written as L. Just make the ll as in Welsh, but then
breathe in very heavily.
<<<<<<

The only attested ingressive consonant?

Why does the IPA define so darn many symbols for them, then?  Surely no=
t "for
completeness", as there are portions of their grid that define pronounc=
eable
sounds that have no symbol of their own.  How very bizarre! :-)


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Pb




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