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Re: / / vs [ ]

From:Elliott Lash <al260@...>
Date:Saturday, January 5, 2002, 8:11
Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@...> writes:

> On 5 Jan 02, at 1:25, Sven Sommerfeld wrote: > > > the phoneme /d/ may have the allophones [d] and [t] as > > in German "Hund" that is /hUnd/ but [hUnt]. > > I disagree there... for me, "Hund" rhymes exactly with "bunt", so I'd > write both of those as /hUnt/ and /bUnt/. If they sound the same, then > they're one phoneme. Don't be mislead by the spelling! Or even by the > fact that a final /t/ can turn into a medial /d/ when an ending is > added.
But that's EXACTLY the point! Phonemes are UNDERLYING forms whereas phones are SURFACE representations. so that VOICED OBSTRUENTS -> UNVOICED /__# This is a phonetic rule. However, once an ending is added the UNDERLYING voiced obstruent is nolonger at the word boundary, so that the rule does not operate, yeilding such allophonic variation as: [hunt] ~ [hund@] Proving that [d] and [t] are allophones of the phoneme /d/ (but only in this possition). German of course does have a phoneme /t/, but this is totally separate. Elliott


Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>