Re: USAGE: Latin alphabet (Re: Chinese Dialect Question)
|From:||Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, October 2, 2003, 11:20|
En réponse à Herman Miller :
>To give an example from the list's official language :-), there's the Dutch
>"g", which in some dialects is [x].
And in others [G]. It's always a velar fricative at least, except in some
(rare) dialects in some positions where it can be a voiced velar stop, but
that's extremely rare. The normal value of "g" in Dutch is a velar fricative.
> A few other exceptions that I can think
>of: "u" is [y] in French (not a back vowel) and a sound traditionally
>represented as  in Dutch (sounds more like  to me; in any case, it
>doesn't seem to be a high vowel or a back vowel, and the long "u" is [y]).
To me, Dutch short "u" is [Y]. It's too high to be  (mind you, it's even
too high to be ) and I don't find it much centralised. There's quite a
nice symmetry among high front vowels in Dutch: short i is [I], long i
(usually written "ie") is [i]. Short u is [Y], long u is [y].
You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.