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Re: USAGE: Latin alphabet (Re: Chinese Dialect Question)

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Thursday, October 2, 2003, 11:20
En réponse à Herman Miller :

>To give an example from the list's official language :-), there's the Dutch >"g", which in some dialects is [x].
And in others [G]. It's always a velar fricative at least, except in some (rare) dialects in some positions where it can be a voiced velar stop, but that's extremely rare. The normal value of "g" in Dutch is a velar fricative.
> A few other exceptions that I can think >of: "u" is [y] in French (not a back vowel) and a sound traditionally >represented as [9] in Dutch (sounds more like [8] to me; in any case, it >doesn't seem to be a high vowel or a back vowel, and the long "u" is [y]).
To me, Dutch short "u" is [Y]. It's too high to be [9] (mind you, it's even too high to be [2]) and I don't find it much centralised. There's quite a nice symmetry among high front vowels in Dutch: short i is [I], long i (usually written "ie") is [i]. Short u is [Y], long u is [y]. Christophe Grandsire. You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.


James Campbell <lists@...>