Re: Sound changes

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 10:22:47AM -0500, Thomas R. Wier wrote:
> Quoting "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh@...>:
>
> > There is the distinction between nasal and non-nasal stops too. For
> > example,
> >         [p&]            "uncle" or "to climb"
> >         [p~&~]          "sickness"
> >
> >         [p_hi]          to sprawl (used of a person) or to spread (used of
> >                         eg. a blanket)
> >         [p~_hi~]        "nose".
> >
> >         [t_hi]          "metal"
> >         [t~_hi~]        "to weave"
>
> These are somewhat odd.  If what you mean by nasal stops is
> _nasalized_ stops, then those are usually transcribed with [_N]
> or some such notation. But the odd thing is that you seem to
> be saying her that these are voiceless *and* have aspirate/
> nonaspirate distinctions.  I think it's fair to say that, if
> not unattested, these would be *very* rare.
Um, I'm not understanding something here. What's the difference between
nasal stops and nasalized stops? Also, it's probable that I'm really
referring to nasalized stops, and it's just my mis-transcription.

[snip]
> > "Hokkien" is transliterated from how natives pronounce the name; "Fujian"
> > is transliterated from the Mandarin pronunciation. They are one and the
> > same. And of course, manglings like "Fukienese" is just an anglicization
> > of the Mandarin pronunciation of a Hokkien name. :-P
>
> I thought Fukienese came ultimately from an anglicization of
> the Classical Chinese, which hadn't palatalized the /k/ yet?
> (As the native dialect hasn't.)
[snip]

Apparently it is. :-)


T

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