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Re: Nine (was: Re: Back)

From:Rob Nierse <rob.nierse@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 18, 2000, 19:41
From: Oskar Gudlaugsson <hr_oskar@...>
Subject: Re: Nine (was: Re: Back)


> I love this 'Nine' project, so I'd like to comment... > > >Then I got an idea I really liked: the vowels preceding the /n/ get > >nasalised. So I got: > >p t k > >e a o (liked those better than i a o) > >e~ a~ o~ > > > >with a rule saying: a~p > am etc.. > > Why don't you keep the /n/ phoneme and state that the sequences /en an on/ > are realized as [e~ a~ o~]? That way, you can have syllable initial /n/.
And
> you save yourself two phonemes, since the nasalized vowels would no longer > be independent phonemes.
This is what I like about the conlang list. It is so simple,why haven't I thought of it? I'm going to do it that way! I think I will come up with another problem, but is creates another possibility. I'll explain down here.
> >VVV singular noun "ua~i" [wa~y] house > >VVtV plural noun "ua~ti" [wani] houses > >VtVkV genitive "uta~ki" [utaNi] of the house > >VtVktV "uta~kti" [utaNdi] of the houses > >and so on. > > Wow, I'm confused. How did the [n] and [N] and [d] get there? Yeah, and
the
> [y]!? Radical allophonics? Say, are nasals allophones of the plosive > phonemes? What about having fricatives as allophones of plosives?
Icelandic
> phonotactics, for example, realize occurences like /kt tk pt/ as [xt Tk
ft]
> (two plosives are not normally allowed to meet in Icelandic).
[n] is a nasal allophone of /t/. Very radical indeed. I borrowed the idea from Waorani [waorañi] /waoda~di/. As you see, in this language [n] is an allophone of /d/. Since in my Nine there are no voiced consonants, I decided the voiceless consonants have nasal allophones. The [d] is just an allophone because of the nasal [N]. I was looking for another method for creating more sounds with this limited phonology. Maybe I can add a /d/, creating voiced allophones. The Icelandic way to have fricatives is a good idea. I'll incorporate it right away.
> So, by what I gather from your system, I think the system I'm proposing is > like this: > > /p t k/ > /n/ > /e a o/ > /j w/
The /i/ and /u/ become [y] and [w] as soon as they meet other vowels. So the system is now: /p t k/ /n/ /i e a o u/ Nine phonemes! I go back to the drawing board and redesign the language.
> Just my five cents, keep up the good work! :)
Well, this is what I hate about the list: I as working on Tlapoa again (my opus magnus :), but I think Ijust have to divide my sparse spare time to Nine and Tlapoa.;) Rob