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Re: TERMINOLOGY: Re: another new language to check out

From:David Peterson <thatbluecat@...>
Date:Thursday, July 1, 2004, 20:25
Joerg wrote:

<<Esperanto, where the accusative plural of `house' is _domojn_
rather than **domonj, shows the normal behaviour of an
agglutinating language.>>

Actually...

Andreas wrote:

<<ObMyConlang: Tairezazh does both:

stelza-n-s "girl"-PL-ACC
stelza-n-er "girl"-PL-DAT

but

stelza-i-n "girl"-GEN-PL

Weirdity points for me! Yay! :)>>

...what happens in Tairezazh is not so strange at all.   I think the
regularity of Turkish is a strange thing (though it's not as regular
as some would claim it is, as we've seen).   I believe that it's either
Estonian or Mari where the plural marker precedes the case marker
for the Nominative, Accusative and Dative, but *follows* the case
marker for the rest of the cases (and there's a lot of them).   This
same phenomenon is exhibited by a large chunk of languages.
However, some generalizations can be made about where you'll
get this.   So, though Tairezazh is a created language, it's not strange
that the *expected* pattern happens in the nominative.   What might
be strange is that the dative patterns with the nominative and the
genitive doesn't, but hopefully the rest of the data from Tairezazh
will bear that out.   So, for example, the genitive in one of my languages
Epiq, is *not* a core case, but the instrumental is.   This is no doubt odd,
but it works for the whole language.   The genitive, in fact, is a kind of
default oblique marker, and its marking actually *looks* different, as
well.

-David
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