Re: TERMINOLOGY: Re: another new language to check out

Quoting David Peterson <ThatBlueCat@...>:

> Joerg wrote:
>
> <<Esperanto, where the accusative plural of `house' is _domojn_
> rather than **domonj, shows the normal behaviour of an
> agglutinating language.>>
>
> Actually...
>
> Andreas wrote:
>
> <<ObMyConlang: Tairezazh does both:
>
> stelza-n-s "girl"-PL-ACC
> stelza-n-er "girl"-PL-DAT
>
> but
>
> stelza-i-n "girl"-GEN-PL
>
> Weirdity points for me! Yay! :)>>
>
> ...what happens in Tairezazh is not so strange at all.   I think the
> regularity of Turkish is a strange thing (though it's not as regular
> as some would claim it is, as we've seen).   I believe that it's either
> Estonian or Mari where the plural marker precedes the case marker
> for the Nominative, Accusative and Dative, but *follows* the case
> marker for the rest of the cases (and there's a lot of them).   This
> same phenomenon is exhibited by a large chunk of languages.
> However, some generalizations can be made about where you'll
> get this.   So, though Tairezazh is a created language, it's not strange
> that the *expected* pattern happens in the nominative.   What might
> be strange is that the dative patterns with the nominative and the
> genitive doesn't, but hopefully the rest of the data from Tairezazh
> will bear that out.   So, for example, the genitive in one of my languages
> Epiq, is *not* a core case, but the instrumental is.   This is no doubt odd,
> but it works for the whole language.   The genitive, in fact, is a kind of
> default oblique marker, and its marking actually *looks* different, as
> well.
When you say nominative, do you mean accusative? The nominative, not mentioned
in my previous post, is unmarked. The full declension for _steza_ "girl":

NOM stelza  stelzan
ACC stelzas stelzans
DAT stelzar stelzaner
GEN stelzai stelzain

Clearly, the genitive form is the odd one out. This might be related to the fact
that while the other cases goes back as far as I've done any work on the family,
the genitive is relatively recent; it arose about a millennium ago.

                                                        Andreas