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Re: NATLANGS: Difthongization across Europa

From:ROGER MILLS <rfmilly@...>
Date:Monday, February 18, 2008, 22:56
David Peterson wrote:
>I wonder if the pre-GVS change of &: A: > E: O: in English went >thru this stage too, seeing that they're spelled <ea oa>? > >> > >The former is happening/happens in my English before nasals: > >bag = [b&:g] >bad = [b&:d] >ban = [bean]
It's surprising that, for you, only nasals are involved. And maybe only /n/?? I find this rather curious-- the raising of low vowels before final voiced stops, /r/ and /n/ (not sure about /-z/) was studied in NY/Phila speech by Labov in the 60s or maybe 70s. When I lived in NYC 1960-64 I sure heard it-- bed and bad, sure and shore, bag and beg, can and Ken etc. were very nearly rhymes!! (IIRC it started before dentals, then spread. We've discussed this before, and there's a website about it somewhere.....). What's curious is, Conventional Wisdom has many modern American sound changes starting in California, then spreading to the rest of the country-- mostly via the younger generation. Because of pop music, Hollywood stars etc?? Who knows. If you're any example, this is a case of East >> West. How about your contemporaries, or teen-agers?
> >I've noticed a similar thing with the back vowels, but haven't >subjected them to experimentation the way I did with the front >vowels: > >bog = [bA:g] >bod = [bA:d] >bomb = [bO@m]
Sounds like maybe a DJP quirk :-))) How about Tom, CD-Rom? (not too many exs. of /CAm/) YAEPT ALERT!! How about "balm"? I have [A:] in all these, and pronounce the /l/ in balm.
>For an example of the front vowels, at least, listen to any song >by Snoop Dogg where he says "damn" (comes out sounding >like "day-am"). I'm not aware of it having been reported for >English outside of southern California, but no one seems to be >looking. >
That's just the plain old Southern drawl, probably in most AAVE too. Making it 2 syllables is just for emphasis. Same with [Si:.It]. Again, I heard plenty of both in Army days (56-59) stationed in Ga. and SC (ugh)-- we Yankees found these quite quaint but effective nonetheless, and it turned out they were also widely used by most GIs old and young everywhere.... and probably still are.


David J. Peterson <dedalvs@...>