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Re: The 2007 Smiley Award Winner: Teonaht

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 1:42
See, I've never gotten attached to a lang because I've never really
been *happy* with any of my langs.  I have an idea, I flesh it out, I
decide the result is boring or ugly or, usually,  both, I get
discouraged and stop conlanging for a couple years, I get a new idea,
and the cycle repeats....

The only thing my conlanging has produced that I'm remotely fond of is
my script for Okaikiar.  But that's tied to a phonology I find too
restrictive (having only 7 consonants) and a language I don't even
like the name of...

I'm not depressed or anything, btw. :) Just explaining why I haven't
developed any of my langs very far, or really posted anything actually
about conlanging in a while.

On 7/3/07, Edgard Bikelis <bikelis@...> wrote:
> On 7/2/07, David J. Peterson <dedalvs@...> wrote: > > > > Edgard wrote: > > << > > BTW, for not letting this message to be totally off-topic: My conlang, > > Ausónya Bháma, is my linguistic credo, and I shape it as the easiest way > > (for me) to think about something. It will be very hard for me > > creating any > > other language, as this one already got all my effort. In this > > respect is > > easier for me to understand Sally Caves' fidelity than those creating > > dozens > > of new languages. Once I decided that gold, for instance, is "ausóm", > > it is > > _really_ 'ausóm', and I am even more sure about that than I was in my > > old > > days of naive monolingualism. Weird, hm? ; ) > > >> > > > > I think it really has to do with one's...not attention span, but > > level of satisfaction. My first language kind of coincided with > > the start of my study of linguistics, and my knowledge expanded > > by leaps and bounds each month. Every time I learned something > > new, I wanted to try it, and it required a new forum, not an old > > language. The old one was no longer enough to satiate my > > conlinguistic appetite. > > > Were I to guide someone... it's better to improve something than creating > from scratch. But as a friend of mine rightfully says... "sometimes we spend > too much time polishing what should be corrected by a really big hammer" ; > ). > > Also, part of it is that, for me, at least, there was a huge break > > when I realized that my first language wasn't good. Huge. It > > reminds me of the time when I learned that all of my favorite > > male singers were actually singing an octave higher than me > > when I was singing along with them (this was when I was twelve, > > I think). I realized it, and then tried to sing at their octave, and > > couldn't, and suddenly my world changed. Same thing happened > > with my first language. I forget what it was, but something > > made me realize that everything I'd done with my language > > was tantamount to a fancy relex of English. Not the morphology, > > or the phonology, or anything, but the *semantics*. I had words > > for "dog" and "canine" (separate words), there was a single word > > for "fortify", and its verbal noun was "fortification", with the > > same exact meaning as it has in English (a fortified building--not > > simply the act of fortifying something). That was when I realized > > I had to start ALL over, and totally rethink the way I looked > > at language. Since then, it's been hard for me to be a one > > language man. > > > I quite see the point, that was a hammer case ; ). But don't you feel > attached to the words you create? I guess not... maybe I care too much about > my words... I'm trying to develop a new language from the one I already > have, and it's so difficult to find something to do that will not cripple > the meaning. I know a word is just a word, as good as any other... well... > but it needs not to be the case with our conlang : ) > > Edgar: > > << > > Anyway, nice text! > > >> > > > > Thanks! > > > > Oh, since this is on topic, I know it's been a year, but in case > > there are some new faces, you should check out Sally's speech > > at the first Language Creation Conference. It's viewable on > > Google Video: > > > I saw the video, really liked it! What do you mean by "in case there are > some new faces"... you mean, on this list... as... me? : ) > > http://video.google.com/videoplay? > > docid=-3117774526155284922&q=language+creation+conference > > > > And a shameless plug: LCC2 is less than a week away! If you're > > in the Bay Area, stop by! It will be well worth your while: > > > Ah, subjunctive is my predilect mood. I live in Brazil... not thaaat close : > ). But I'm happy my English can pass as native... even if I'm not sure it's > really the case, anyway. > > http://conlangs.berkeley.edu/ > > > > -David > > ******************************************************************* > > "A male love inevivi i'ala'i oku i ue pokulu'ume o heki a." > > "No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn." > > > > -Jim Morrison > > > > http://dedalvs.free.fr/ > > > > Edgard. >
-- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>

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