Re: USAGE: Cantonal spelling

Did it again, sent this to the past. So reposting:

> From: "John Cowan"
>
> >First, here's how I'm numbering the tones:
>
> > Tone 1, IPA 55, yin ping tone, reflex of Mandarin tone 1, 7a in ruh
> syllables
> > Tone 2, IPA 21, yaang ping tone, reflex of Mandarin tone 2
> > Tone 3, IPA 35, yin shaangh tone, reflex of Mandarin tone 3
> > Tone 4, IPA 13, yaang shaangh tone, reflex of Mandarin tone 3
> > Tone 5, IPA 33, yin quh tone, reflex of Mandarin tone 4, 7b in ruh
> syllables
> > Tone 6, IPA 11, yaang quh tone, reflex of Mandarin tone 4, 8 in ruh
> syllables
>
> Just asking: Is there a reason behind this particular ordering? 'Cause it
> diverges from the traditional standard:
>
> T1  55
> T2  35
> T3  33
> T4  21
> T5  13
> T6  11
>
> So when you said * is T3, I automatically balked until I went back and
> reviewed your ordering.
>
> I also need to re'cant' (get it? nyuk, nyuk) a statement I made to D Tse
> about the Tone 7. It was not Matthews and Yip who used it (they just
> describe the 6, discussing the merger of Tones 1 & 7 among most speakers,
> which I mentioned in an earielr post), but the website I referred John to.
> In the hard copy Lau dictionary I have, he states that for practical
> purposes, you can dispense with it, but they keep it, for some reason in
the
> website anaysis.
>
> Kou