Re: Extra Syllabic Consonants

I'm a French speaker, and in "que je travaille", there is a slight
pause (almost, but not completely, a schwa) between "que" and
"travaille".

On 9/15/05, # 1 <salut_vous_autre@...> wrote:
> Shreyas Sampat wrote:
>
> >>Are there examples in actual spoken languages (besides, of course,
> >>interjections like 'pst')?
> >
> >Um, well, how's French? I have heard (and in fact pronounced) 'je' as a
> >syllabic nucleus, as in "je pense que..." /S=pa~sk@/ (I reserve the right
> >to forget what the precise vowel symbols are). I'm probably thinking too
> >hard about it, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear /Z=/ or nonsyllabic /S/
> >in that position either.
> >
>
> No, the /S/ is not syllabic, it is simply /Spa~sk/ or /Spa~sk@/ (depending
> if the next word begins with a vowel or a consonnant), it would need a
> glottal stop in front to be syllabic and I'm sure there is not.
>
> But I think and it makes me thing a a few consonnants clusters that can
> result of French contractions.
>
> "que je travaille" (that I work) that contracts in /kStRavaj/. Isn't /kStR/
> an interesting cluster?
>
>
> Concerning an other point that has been raised but that I don't really want
> to search among the posts because it would be too long, I think that any
> consonnant can be syllabic, even voiceless fricatives, even plosives.
>
> But the trouble is that a syllabic voiceless plosive makes almost no sound,
> don't you think?
>
>
> In Vbazi, the longest consonnant cluster whithout syllabics that I've create
> is /mzglw/ in the root /tamzglwal/ (to miss/lack something one absolutely
> needs). But longer clusters are easily pronounceable between vowels such as
> [m_0skthlw] that can be pronounced easily with /a/'s. It is hard to
> pronounce fast but not because it is unpronounceable but only because it is
> hard to remember. The best way to make it is pronouncing /alwa/ /ahlwa/,
> /athlwa/, /akthlwa/, /askthlwa/, and then /am_0skthlwa/. Pretty funny!
>
> Another question is, how much consonnants can bepronounced without be
> precede/followed by a vowel/syllabic?
>
> - Max
>