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[conlang] Digest Number 2882

From:Anthony M. Miles <theophilus88@...>
Date:Saturday, July 19, 2003, 5:50
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Juvenal, Satires 3.182-3

>From: >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: [conlang] Digest Number 2882 >Date: 18 Jul 2003 07:56:28 -0000 > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Control Hunger EZ with fast acting oral EZ Appetite Suppressant Spray >from 1 Month Supply - 2oz., 80 sprays: $19.97. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > 25. Re: Palatal Trills, Taps, and Flaps > From: Julien Eychenne <je@...> > >
> >Message: 25 > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:49:50 +0200 > From: Julien Eychenne <je@...> >Subject: Re: Palatal Trills, Taps, and Flaps > >Hi, > >Anthony M. Miles a écrit : > > This is for a language I invented long ago, but did not consider the > > current > > problem. In Mayeemae Vuumae [J@je:m{ vu:m{], certain consonants become > > palatals. If <l> [l] becomes <ll> [L], then a postalveolar trill [r] or > > tap/flap [4] becomes palatal, but how does one represent it in X-SAMPA? >[R] > > (my analogical preference) is used for a voiced uvular fricative, but >any > > uvular fricative is lacking in Mayeemae Vuumae. > >As far as I know, there is no palatal trill/flap neither in IPA nor in >SAMPA. This is really lacking, as it seems that several langugages >(including Polish) have a true (alveolo)palatal rhotic. You can use a >digraph such as [r'] or [r_j], or even [r_S] if the palatalized >consonant sounds a bit like the Polish one. You could also imagine that >/r/ (or /4/ ?) becomes [j] when it palatalizes : it is quite a natural >process (cf. caraibean spanish :/revolver/ --> [revolvej]). > > > Also, is there a symbol indicating postalveolar. > >Do you mean a diacritic ? If so, there is no such symbol. Using the >diacritic "retracted" (e.g. [r_-]) is not appealing, and ATR is even >worse, since it implies a pharyngeal (or root tongue) activity. Using >[_S] seems to me the best way to deal with postalveolarness. But maybe >someone knows a better way to do it :). > >Julien. >
What about r_L (l:L::r:r_L). r_L is an allophone in the language, but an orthographically marked one. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.