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Re: Tekem, the language (aka deriving verbs from nouns)

From:Amanda Babcock <langs@...>
Date:Thursday, May 3, 2001, 15:59
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:33:49AM +0200, Christophe Grandsire wrote:
> > Yeah, very minimal phonemics, only 9 phonemes :) (I think it holds the record > with Hawaian and Tahitian :) ).
Yeah, I'm definitely pushing a few limits with this language :)
> Well, in fact I don't see what's unnatural about it. To me it's plain normal > that if you put together a stem and an affix, some phenomena of assimilation, > dissimilation or whatever take place.
I think I got the idea from rendaku in Japanese (where some compound nouns show voicing of the initial consonant of the second word). So I guess it's not all that far-out.
> Wow, that's a nice thing to define what's a word in a certain language :) . In > fact, I don't think we can come to a better definition of that word :) .
Thanks! Although I don't think I made it up myself. But if I'm going to have sound changes only within words, I kind of needed a definition of "word" :) Which, I just realized, I've already broken. My noun-incorporated words have two parts, each of which could stand on its own, so they don't fit the definition as I intended it. Oh well.
> In front of stops, so that al-ta -> arda? I don't think it's necessary but it > could be neat :) .
If I were to do it, it would either be before stops, or before (which is to say between) vowels.
> [snip of derivational stuff] > Wow! Nice derivations. Add a little culture-oriented irregularities for words > whose derivations don't have an immediate sense and it becomes very nice! :)
Thanks :) I'm planning to have more derivations of the "toska" type (the one that meant a perception using/to perceive using). That way I'll be able to get all kinds of verb meanings out of a noun :)
> Well, your incorporation system looks quite correct to me, since you incorporate > only bare stems, which is usual
That's a good point. Maybe I should limit it to non-derived nouns. It's not uncommon to have length restrict what a language can do with a word. Sentences which would require incorporation of fancy derived nouns would simply have to be rephrased. Thanks for the feedback! Amanda