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Re: the sound of "DJ" (was Re new Unnamed Conlang)

From:Tamas Racsko <tracsko@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 7:10
On 20 Sep 2004 08:29:32 Rodlox <Rodlox@HOT...> quoted:

> > --- In, Rodlox <Rodlox@H...> wrote: > > > > > jy (like "DJoser" in Ancient Egyptian) > > > > Does anyone what Ancient Egyptian sounded like > > actually, after some thinking, I recall that I put a DJoser-
style DJ sound
> in Metes, which I wrote in X-Sampa. > > it's [J\] if I recall.
Ancient Egyptian had millenaries to develop, therefore I think more than one actual pronunciation can be assigned to the hieroglyph of 'snake' (and its descendants). My sources tell that this sound goes back to a common Afroasian *[g]. It is the starting point and we know also the final developmental stage: AFAIK in Coptic letter 'janja' sounds [dZ]. Thus we can draw a sound change sequence like: (a) Afroasian [g] > [g'] > [d'] > [dz\] > Coptic [dZ], or (b) Afroasian [g] > [g'] > [J\] > [J\j\] > [dz\] > Coptic [dZ], or (c) ... There is no actual information about which intermediate phase was valid in time of Djoser, thus we can liberately choose any of them. You must decide whether diacritical |-y| in your notations |jy|, |sy|, |zy| is systematical or not. If it is not, |jy| can be [J\]. But if it is, I propose either changing the orthography to |dy| or the pronuncuation to [J\j\] or better [dz\].


Rodlox <rodlox@...>|dy| or [dz\] ? (bars or brackets?) Re: the sound of "DJ" (was Re new Unnamed Conlang)
Rodlox <rodlox@...>Revised Unnamed Conlang