Re: Artyom Kouzminykh: Answes&proposal

Fabian writes:



>Ok, you have decided that 'natural' means 'romance'. So wtf (excuse my
>French) didn't you say so in the first place? However, I still think you
>need to be more specific, as I suspect that the only two romance languages
>that agree completely on the pronunciation of these letters are Spanish and
>Portuguese. the others all vary, sometimes they can be very different. <ce>
>is [se] in French, [tSe] in Italian. You need to decide which, merely
>saying
>'romance' or 'natural' is meaningless.
Ok, then I call my artlang "Helenian" and say that pronunciation of these
letters must be "naturally Helenian (Helenical?)!":-)) Which is, close to
Spanish!


>
>Don HARLOW wrote:
> >The plural -s is not inappropriate for a language where nouns take no
>other endings, but how is it pronounced?
>The plural -s must be pronounced usually, like in I-a - [s].
>
>*Usually*, in French, <s> often doesn't make a significant difference to
>pronunciation.
I meant, like in Interlingua IALA!

>Charles wrote:
> >But what about imperfect and other aspects?
>We have no any perfect's and imperfect's (as well as pluperfect's!) in
>Russian, and still feel ourselves OK. So, it isn't necessary for a IAL,
>but it's possible, I agree.
>
>Hmm, my old Russian teacher would have disagreed there. Admitedly, these
>aspects are analytical, so you might not have counted them because of this.
Well, it's never too late to learn !

Bear in
>mind that there are plenty of ways a language can live without an
>'infinitive'.
Yes, but not Romance one, I guess, isn't it?

>Fabian wrote:
> >Personally, I suspect analytical tenses are simpler than inflected
>tenses.
>
> >About auxiliaries. Do you think it's OK to you use verbs "have" and
>"be" as auxiliaries in a simple and logical IAL? And creating a priori
>auxiliaries, as in Novial, wouldn't be very "natural" for a Romance
>conlang, would it?
>
>I agree, they can be considered wrong, if you take the meaning of these
>words at face value. But these words have a far broader meaning than you
>give them credit for, and their use becomes sensible when you consider
>their
>full meaning.
>
>I have eaten - I 'own' an 'eat' - there is food comfortably inside me
>(yum!)
>
>The cat was fed - perfectly transparent, when you consider that 'fed' is a
>past participle. I am sure we all agree that 'the cat was feed' makes no
>sense.
What about prases like "I have been beaten" and "The justice had not been
done" (I'm not sure it's totally correct, but ... who owned who in such
cases?)


>I need to know whether you are making an artlang or an IAL.
>When you originally posted your request, you said you were creating an IAL.
>Now you change your mind. Please decide what you want, then I help.
>Sahib, you meed to decide what you are making, and stick with that
>decision.
Oh no, I'm not a suicide yet! For now I afraid even thinking about creating
something like IAL (or even a lang for more than one person - me)! It's
rather dangerous, as I understood, and I want to live yet:-)


>Fabian wrote:
> >And how is having an accusative form implicitly more difficult than
>having a strict word order (every language must have one or the other)?
>I have nothing against cases in a conlang, even 5-6 - 'cause it IS
>"natural" in Latin, and Latin is a real base for a Romance conlang. But
>cases in IAL - is it so necessary?
>
> >I have nothing against tenses in a conlang, even 5-6 - 'cause it IS
>"natural" in Latin, and Latin is a real base for a Romance conlang. But
>tenses in IAL - is it so necessary?
>
Sorry, I tried to say "cases", not "tenses"!


>I appreciate that English may not be your first language, but the fact that
>you claimed to be making an IAL was very clear in your first post, and this
>seems to have changed in your second post, without a word of explanation.
>That is far more annoying than any lack of ability with English (and I have
>not any serious problems with your English).
>
I just haven't noticed SERIOUS difference between IAL and con(art)lang for
that moment (now I see it), so I'm sorry.


Artyom Kouzminykh


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