Re: USAGE: Thorn vs Eth
|From:||Muke Tever <alrivera@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, July 13, 2002, 2:07|
From: "Nik Taylor" <fortytwo@...>
>Nihil Sum wrote:
>> You hear "fourteen" and "eighteen" as either /fo:rti:n/ , /eiti:n/ or as
>> /fortti:n/ , /eitti:n/.
>I never hear them with geminated /t/'s. I was unaware that gemination
>existed at all in English except in obvious compounds like "book-keeper"
>or "pen-knife", but even in those it's not that unusual to hear single
Well, I know I have geminate /t/ in them. It is easier to tell as it does not
turn into  as ordinary intervocalic /t/ does (compare "fourteen" with
"sorting", "eighteen" with "Nadine"?)
Of course, it really is just as much a compound as "book-keeper" or
"pen-knife"... both "eight" and "teen" are words in common use.
>And the spelling "eighteen" suggests that the single /t/ pronunciation
>is very old.
Well, we also have "eighth" with one <t> standing for /tT/ (at least in my
speech). Google seems to have plenty enough hits for "eightteen" (and,
dismayingly, "eightth"), but whether these are pronunciation spellings or
is probably not easy to tell.