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Re: USAGE: Thorn vs Eth

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Saturday, July 13, 2002, 3:37
Muke Tever wrote:
> Well, I know I have geminate /t/ in them. It is easier to tell as it does not > turn into [4] as ordinary intervocalic /t/ does (compare "fourteen" with > "sorting", "eighteen" with "Nadine"?)
Well, sorting is stressed on the first syllable, while fourteen can be stressed on either depending on context. I'd say eightéen potátoes, for example, but éighteen mén, to avoid having two stressed syllables in a row, and /t/ doesn't become flap before stressed vowels, as in [p_h@'t_hej*ow] "potato". Altho, eighteen with initial stress still has [t_h], but then, so do "thirteen", "fourteen", "fifteen", "sixteen", "seventeen", and "nineteen". Seventeen has secondary stress on the -teen if the following word does not have primary stress. So, perhaps it's because the /tin/ syllable has underlying stress that it remains /t/ rather than /*/
> Well, we also have "eighth" with one <t> standing for /tT/
Presumably because English doesn't allow {tth}, but it does allow {tt}. -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42


Matthew Butt <m.butt@...>