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Re: Artyom Kouzminykh: Answers & proposal

From:Christophe Grandsire <grandsir@...>
Date:Monday, August 23, 1999, 9:09
Lars Henrik Mathiesen wrote:
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:45:24 +0100 > > From: Fabian <rhialto@...> > > > I have been beaten - the unspoken agent is in a state of owning a > > beating of 'I'. > > Hmmm. > > The usual story is that the perfect tense construction with 'have' > originates in sentences like 'I have cooked meat' (original sense only > 'I possess meat that is cooked'). Once reanalysed, grammaticalized and > generalized, there is no longer any sense of possesion attached to the > construction, or necessary for its explanation. >
I wonder if it is true. This makes perfect sense for English, but it is something impossible for French for example: "J'ai cuit de la viande" vs. "J'ai de la viande cuite". But maybe at an earlier stage French had the adjective before the noun (and before its article).
> Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@...> (Humour NOT marked)
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