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Re: Help in Determining Asha'ille Typology

From:Christopher Wright <faceloran@...>
Date:Thursday, August 7, 2003, 13:47
Andreas Johansson palsalge
>Quoting JS Bangs <jaspax@...>: > >> These are the wrong kind of examples to use for deciding whether a >> language is accusative, ergative, or active. These terms have to do with >> the marking of arguments to a verb and transitivity, so we'd need to see >> some examples of that. Can you post translations of these three
sentences:
>> >> 1) I eat food. >> 2) I run. >> 3) I fall. >> >> In most general terms: >> >> An accusative language is one in which "I" in all three sentences is >> marked the same (nominative), while "food" is marked differently >> (accusative). >> >> An ergative language is one in which "food" from (1) and "I" from (2)
and
>> (3) are marked the same (absolutive), while "I" from (1) is marked >> differently (ergative). >> >> An active language is one in which "I" from (1) and (2) is marked the
same
>> (agentive), while "food" and "I" from (3) are marked the same >> (patientive). This is subject to a lot of language-specific variation, >> though, so beware. > >What would we call a language that marks "I" from (1) the same as "I" in
(3),
>and "I" in (2) the same as "food" in (1)? Beyond weird, that is.
For that matter, what would you call a language that marks "I" and "food" the same in (1), but marks the other two in a different manner? Beyond English, that is. ~Wright, who can't stay serious for ten minutes in a row.